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You are in the Honda Accord
What is this discussion about?
Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#2371 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [alpha01]
Apr 19, 2006 (5:12 pm)
I can not comment on engine/tranny hesitation on the Camry or other Toyota product, its too bad if you experienced that problem. However, as a Toyota owner, I have never had that problem. So, its not clear what you are even talking about.
As you may/may not know Honda had problems in the late 1980s and 1990s with engines/auto trannys/other tranny problems that hesitated or did not always shift ideally. This is now gone, and if you ever owned/driven the current generation 4 cylinder/auto Accord, it shifts very smoothly. You can ask other owners who have driven Hondas/Acuras over the past 20 years, as I have, about engine/auto tranny hesitation/shifting problems, and those who have the current generation Accord.
EPA rates the 2006 Accord 4 auto as having slightly better fuel economy. Please refer to the EPA website, 2006 Honda Accord brochure, and the 2007 Camry brochure, if you even believe those infamous #s.
Getting a better/worse price depends on what is/on the lot. Dealers that have more stock on hand may be willing to bargain a bit more. Time of the month is also a factor. As the inventory gets larger, when supply catches up with demand, presumably one could get a better price.
Finally, "Camrys are not being discounted." Oh really, in the whole U.S.? That's too bad if that's the case in your area. However, making a broad statement like this lacks logic, and basing it on one dealer raising prices on their internet is not indicative of anything. Its kind of like saying that the stock market is going up because Intel stock is going up.
I know because my salesperson keeps emailing me, and the price for an LE -4 auto went from $20,900 plus TTL to $18,888 plus TTL as inventory has caught up. Other posters have gotten similar offers, so yes there are discounts. If you are geting forced to pay MSRP or above on an LE 4 Camry, then you may want to shop elsewhere, or just wait a bit.
#2372 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [tinatina]
Apr 19, 2006 (5:59 pm)
1) Given the context of your post (comparison between Camry and Accord), I thought the comment you made in regards to hestitation and the Accord was referencing the Camry's issues with the previous generation 3.0L V6 and 5A. My mistake, but your post was not clear as to why you even referenced hesitation...
2)I know that the Accord is rated slightly higher than the Camry in EPA figures. My question to you was around your comment "especially PZEV models".
3) By discounted, I meant the word incentivized. I should have used that word to avoid confusion and that is my fault and I apologize. There are no factory to dealer or factory to consumer incentives on the Camry right now.
#2373 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [alpha01]
Apr 19, 2006 (6:08 pm)
Ok, we concur. More clarity for the both of us would have been better.
I only can compare the PZEV 4 cylinder auto units since this is the only info I have that I compared those numbers to. I could not get a non-PZEV unit in CA, nor am I personally interested in a V-6 Camry or Accord (just a personal choice). By the way, I'm seriously leaning towards the Camry LE 4 due to the styling, extra safety features, etc. However, I'm personally waiting for a "Big Memorial Day Sale", or at least hoping for one.
#3- Of course there would be no incentives, its not a Sonata. By the way, Alpha, you are a trouble maker, you riled up the mid size comparison board a bit (just kidding).
#2374 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [tinatina]
Apr 19, 2006 (6:11 pm)
I am a trouble-maker ... that's why they keep me around! I just a facts junkie, and I'd like to think I can admit when I make a mistake.
#2375 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [alpha01]
Apr 19, 2006 (6:51 pm)
Don't worry for what its worth, I got your back on that thread. I posted twice agreeing with you on the Sonata, and the article you cited is a fact. Take care.
#2376 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [alpha01]
Apr 19, 2006 (7:04 pm)
Are you aware that there is now no longer such thing as a 2006 Accord DX? They have a MUCH better equipped Value Package, that is lightly sold. Most iterations are LX and up, all of which outhandle the Camry.
I'm convinced having 4-wheel discs is overrated on all but the sportiest cars...
I have two cars, a 1996 LX Accord (rear drums, no ABS) and a 2006 Accord EX I4 (rear discs, ABS, EBD). My 1996 Accord has the braking power to lock up the rear brakes on DRY surfaces, so what will discs offer other than better heat resistance after multi-high speed stops? Not much that I can tell. They also last a LONG time, as I have 160,000 miles on my original rear brake drums. (I feel I should say that My grandmother/I got 131,000 miles on the front discs; she drove 75 miles a day highway for the 120,000 miles she had the car).
Discs don't do much for me, sorry. I say keep costs down and use rear drums, but keep the ABS and EBD.
#2377 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [thegraduate]
Apr 19, 2006 (8:26 pm)
DX, VP... does it have stabilizer bar? Point remains.. NOPE. I disagree that all versions of the Accord outhandle the Camry, as well, and aside from the intrusive VSC, most accounts have praised the new Camry's handling... from here on edmunds.com to Car and Driver's review in the Mar. 06 issue.
From the Edmunds.com review of the Camry V6 in relation to the Accord "It's too bad there's no way of disabling the stability control because the Camry feels like it could go quicker than the safety-minded engineers will allow. It feels at least as athletic as the Accord, but we'll never know. "
I agree, if drums get the job done well enough, so be it. In most cases, though, the greater swept area afforded by rear discs can serve to provide better stopping power, especially in heavier vehicles ( your '96 weighs nowhere near the '06)....
Then again, discs or drums, the current Accord isnt really known for braking power...hence...the Accord EX V6's rating of 'Poor' for Braking in the edmunds.com review...
" noticeable amount of tire scratch coming into the cabin, as if the car was braking on a gravel road. By the third stop from 60 mph, the brakes were fading and beginning to smoke. "
Ha! Given that abysmal write-up, maybe I just created a case for your DRUMS.
#2378 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [alpha01]
Apr 19, 2006 (8:43 pm)
Yes, I'm aware, the weight difference is almost 400 pounds (I'm aware of it, but wasn't thinking when i wrote that; attribute it to the fact that its past my bedtime.
#2379 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [thegraduate]
Apr 20, 2006 (1:29 am)
Most iterations are LX and up, all of which outhandle the Camry.
Are you comparing it to a 2004 Camry with blown shocks? I would put my SE V6 up against any stock Accord any day. Look at the skidpad and slalom numbers.
The '07 Camry SE V6 did 0.83g and 63.6mph.
The '04 EX-V6 Coupe with 215/50-17 Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 M+S did 0.81g and 63.9mph.
That is a sedan against a coupe
#2380 of 2813 Re: Styling is a moot point [thegraduate]
Apr 20, 2006 (3:25 am)
"I'm convinced having 4-wheel discs is overrated on all but the sportiest cars... "
The usage of rear disc brakes in passenger cars is driven by the product planners not the engineers. For stopping on dry pavement, drums will work just fine. Discs offer some advantages when wet and react better to ABS but purely from a physics standpoint, drum brakes can do the job.
Having said that, I will admit that that shiny rotor looks a lot better through the openings in an alloy when than the ugly drum. That's why I only buy cars with rear discs.