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Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#2312 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [thegraduate]
Apr 07, 2006 (9:12 pm)
" wonder if the extra power will steal sales like some people think it will. When the Accord and Altima came out with 240 horsepower in 2002-03, people (myself included I'm afraid) gawked at the fact that the top engine in the Camry was still just 192 hp. Shoot, the Camry of 1995 had 188 hp, didn't it?
I think what Camry buyers are looking for isn't power. What they need to monitor is the ever rising prices of Toyotas, as I imagine the "16,988 LE" deals going on in Birmingham will be replaced by "$19,988 LEs." "
I tend to agree. I recently ignored the 2007 Camry in favor of the Accord. In the first place, you can't get a manual in the V6 Camry at any price. This, plus the ability to turn the stability control system off, puts the Accord at a huge advantage when it comes to being driven enthusiastically, regardless of a ten percent horsepower deficit.
Throw in the fact that a comparably equipped 2007 Camry will run near $30K right now as opposed to the EX V6, which I purchased just over a month ago for $25250, or $2500 below MSRP. This isn't five hundred dollars or even a thousand we're talking about, it's closer to four or five thousand dollars. The Accord is too damn good a car to willfully pay close to fifteen percent more for something that's not significantly sportier or more luxurious.
#2313 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [econoboxjockey]
Apr 08, 2006 (5:14 am)
The Accord is too damn good a car to willfully pay close to fifteen percent more for something that's not significantly sportier or more luxurious.
........just much better equipped!
#2314 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [njerald]
Apr 08, 2006 (10:24 am)
Referring to the Camry? For the difference in price, all I see are fog lights and an electrochromatic rear-view mirror, neither of which is able to overcome the lack of a manual transmission and the electronic nanny that steps in when things get spirited.
#2315 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [econoboxjockey]
Apr 08, 2006 (1:42 pm)
For the difference in price, all I see are fog lights and an electrochromatic rear-view mirror, neither of which is able to overcome the lack of a manual transmission and the electronic nanny that steps in when things get spirited
Look a little closer if you are looking at all.
Your postulation about the price of the XLE V6 with Heated Seats, Stability control, floormats, and Satellite radio is wrong to start with. The MSRP of that vehicle is $29,838 and I can buy it all day for $27,429.
So what do you get for $2,179 premium over your Accord:
. A 2007 model, not a 2006
. More HP and torque
. 6 Speed auto transmission
. Auto headlights
. Blue tooth w/steering wheel controls
. Heating/AC steering wheel controls
. 440 Watt stereo that blows away the Honda system
. Electro mirror
. Trip Computer
. Reclining rear seats
. Interior air Ionizer
. Manual rear seat sunshade
. Trunk Mat
. Trunk Cargo net
. Tire Pressure Monitoring
. Drivers knee airbag
. 2 more mpg city
. 2 more mpg Highway
. Almost 4% More Interior Room
. Almost 4% bigger trunk
and you could save $520 more by not getting the electronic nanny Stabilty Control/Traction Control option.
and if you wanted NAV, it is $800 invoice cheaper than the Honda system.
But the Honda has 4 more cupholders, LED tailights and 17" wheels. Wow!
Now you know what you are missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#2316 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [njerald]
Apr 08, 2006 (3:39 pm)
Anyone getting the XLE V6 really needs to pay the extra coupla hundred and get the Smart Key system. Its pretty neat. (Also not available on the Honda)
#2317 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [econoboxjockey]
Apr 08, 2006 (4:04 pm)
If you want to Auto-X or drift, a CamCord is not on your shopping list. That said, the stability control and manual are less of an issue in this segment. The majority (I dont have numbers) of buyers in this segment's demo are more likely to buy an auto tranny and like the safety of stability control. It would be nice to turn it off, but I personally wouldn't steer away from a car because of it.
If you are looking for a value priced sedan to really enjoy driving in a spirited manner, buy an Evo, SRT-4, or a WRX/STi.
I say value priced, because the real performers are Volvo S60R, M5, S4/S6 and the like which are $40k++
#2318 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [njerald]
Apr 09, 2006 (1:32 am)
The stereo is the only thing on that list that might inspire a moment of regret on my behalf, but certainly not over two thousand dollar's worth, and most certainly not if it means giving up the manual.
More mileage to go with the higher power...now there's your best talking point. That's the kind of stuff that induces people to open their wallet and spend a few thousand to save a few hundred. However, as the Accord I purchased has a manual transmission, the mileage difference between the model I bought and a Camry is reduced to one mile per gallon, or less than five percent. I'd also be willing to venture a guess that any advantage the Camry has in power is effectively negated by the presence of a manual transmission in the hands of a reasonably skilled driver.
The rest of the stuff on that list is piffle, at least to this particular shopper. I'm sure my rear seat passengers will suffer just fine through not being able to recline and being forced to breathe unionized air. The window tint I had installed virtually eliminates the need for a self-adjusting mirror (not like adjusting the mirror is a chore worth paying any significant sum to avoid...just like adjusting one's own headlights). I can also continue to suffer through the indignity of having to monitor my own tire pressure as I've done for years (daily on a visual basis, weekly with a gauge and compressor). I religiously avoid using my cell phone when I drive, so Bluetooth is wasted on me. I've got radio controls on one side of the wheel and cruise control on the other, and I hardly feel cheated when I have to reach a bit to adjust the very large, easy to locate climate control knob.
So now I know what I'm missing...but of all the stuff listed, the thing I'd miss the most is the clutch pedal.
#2319 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [fsowirles]
Apr 09, 2006 (2:22 am)
"If you are looking for a value priced sedan to really enjoy driving in a spirited manner, buy an Evo, SRT-4, or a WRX/STi."
Room for four adults was a primary consideration, and no compact meets that requirement like a midsize car. Also, I am 6'4" and fitting in the Legacy and Mitsu was problematic. Then there's the matter of being tasteful. If the choice is between buying a winged wonder or shelling out forty grand, I'd have just kept my ailing Focus and saved for another couple of years.
The final three cars I was considering before I purchased were the Legacy GT, the Altima SE-R and the Accord. If I were ten years younger, I'd probably be driving the Legacy right now, but the smoothness of the Accord's "double six" powertrain was just too good for me to pass on.
The number of manual Accords is very, very low; I've heard figures as low as two percent. It's not the "meat" of the segment, but for those drivers who find themselves shoehorned into this segment out of necessity, it provides an option very much worth exploring. There are not many cars that seat four comfortably and offer sub six-second 0-60 acceleration for around $25000, but the Accord sedan with the six-speed manual is one of them. It may not be a canyon carver, but it's got enough power and suspension to be pretty darn entertaining, especially when mixing it up with the six speed. The powertrain in this car is BUTTER.
#2320 of 2813 Re: Accord has tough competition in 2007 Camry [econoboxjockey]
Apr 09, 2006 (4:26 am)
Since when does a stock Accord sedan turn a sub 6 second 0-60 time? I know the coupe is said to do 5.9 seconds, but I thought the sedan (same powertrain) was a couple tenths slower (as it should be with added weight).
Regardless, I am glad you found what makes you happy. I would venture a guess that as you mentioned it being a rare car, less than 1 in 50 are looking for a manual EX V6 sedan, just very few would be looking for upper trim (SE/XLE) V6 Camrys.
#2321 of 2813 Re: Seen the 2007 Camry Pictures? [1000hours]
Apr 09, 2006 (6:03 am)
Is that a Camry or a Taurus? (back around -2003+)