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Sedans Honda Accord Honda Accord vs Toyota Camry
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Replying to: pat (Jan 27, 2005 3:51 pm)
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See site below......Richard http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050128/laf046_1.html |
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| Accord *may* have a chance to outsell camry this year! | |
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Replying to: bizi (Jan 27, 2005 10:34 am) Bizi, that is phenomenal commentary, and captures my sentiment exactly. Note that recently, I'll try and find the post number, that someone did compare his 04 Accord EX V6 to his new Camry SE V6. (He owns them concurrently). -alpha Edit: Its POST 1800 on this thread. |
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Replying to: ex v6 (Jan 28, 2005 7:28 am) I did some basic research before, and I didn't find a clear answer on the question. I was able to reaffirm, however, they are both good in this area. I'd be interested in more data from other members too. 1. The discussion boards you mentioned. Pat (the host) already pointed out that we shouldn't read too much into the number of complains here. I read those boards to learn what kind of potential problems to expect, and assess if there is a potential (common) problem that I cannot tolerate. There are quite some complains about Accord "rattles, creaking", and some said that it happened more in '03 (the first new generation) models, and improved in '05. Not sure. On the other hand, there is a discussion board named "Camry Rattles" here in Edmunds which I'm sure you saw already. Depend on your sensitivity, these may or may not be a significant problem. 2. "Scientific" data. It's surprisingly hard to find online statistics on past repair or problem complaint records. Some Canadian data: http://www.caa.ca/e/automotive/pdf/autopinion-03.pdf Between Accord and Camry, one can read either way, Accord's data is excellent for '98-'02, but that's last generation (no current gen data). If you compare both Accord and Camry to many other vehicles listed there, then things are in perspective: both Accord and Camry are good. I believe Consumer Report keeps track of repair survey data, but I don't have current subscription. From memory of past data, again, both are good. Also, we all know that there are other customer satisfaction surveys (e.g. JD Power). 3. Neither of them can make every car trouble free. As good as the reputation of both of these cars are, some people get the impression that the next Accord/Camry he/she purchase will be trouble free. That's probably an expectation set too high. I had one Camry that had leaking transmission oil while brand new. I didn't think that's a general problem with Camry though. It's just an individual car, a small sample. It is good enough to say, however, not every Camry is trouble free (we already knew that:-) Sometimes, it just depend on individual luck. I'd believe that the chance of a problem to happen in an Accord or Camry is more depend on individual car than the brand (obviously, some parts are more likely to fail in Accord, but other parts are more likely to fail in Camry, I'm talking about overall chance here, i.e. deviation vs. difference in average) A side comment: there are some surveys indicate that the Accord/Camry build quality advantage over some domestic cars are dwindling over years. I tend to believe that. Coincidently, in my memory, our 1990 Camry was trouble free. To be fair though, at that time, driver's air bag was a novelty (what is ABS?), and my expectation of a car was much lower. You know, good old days:-) |
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Good post bizi, thanks. And thanks to all of you who have pitched in to get this discussion back on track! 
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According to Consumer Reports which in my experience is very accurate in describing trouble spots in cars, the Camry is statistically less of a problem for 2003 and 2004 than the Accord. The Camry is rated well above average for those years and Accord is only above average (not well above). Still, being "above average" is quite good these days because ALL cars have improved in recent years. Average is pretty good these days. In 2002, the current Camry's first year, it's reliability was only "average" which was low for a Toyota. The Accord has been "above average" for 2003 and 2004, the first full years of the current model. The Camry is currently statistically superior in reliability to the Accord but not enough to make a significant difference. Both cars are excellent but they do have different driving characteristics. People who like their cars to be soft and quiet are better off with the Camry and those who like a firmer riding, "driver's car" will probably prefer the Accord. This was my observation when I tested cars 17 months ago and chose the '04 Accord EX-L. Styling differences are a matter of personal preference and aren't worth discussing. Fortunately, both cars are superior to most other cars--certainly for the money, both cars are good choices. Just drive them first to experience their differences........Richard |
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| FWIW: I've put approximately 46,000 miles between 3 different 03-04 Accord models. All were reliable without problems (knock on wood as I still own a 2004 sedan). | |
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Replying to: ex v6 (Jan 28, 2005 7:28 am) |
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Replying to: cutedh (Jan 24, 2005 7:08 pm) That order in CR is for how they rate the cars overall and not specifically the interior. i know you personally like the camry's interior more than the accord's interior. i was pointing out that the consensus of opinion from auto publications don't share your opinion as you indicated. |
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