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Sedans Honda Accord Honda Accord vs Toyota Camry
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Replying to: rutger3 (Jan 24, 2005 7:46 am) A comment on price: I found that it depend on time, region and sometimes dealership. From my most recent shopping experience, Accord was more ready to go under invoice than Camry (with Camry's rebate factored in). The invoice price is also generally lower on Accord for the similarly equiped models (Accord has now all air bags standard). The price comparison was based on direct internet (or fleet) department quotes on V6 model. These days, the lowest three quotes from internet sales departments are usually pretty close (within a few hundred dollars of each other), so I believe the price comparison is valid. I've bought several Camrys in the past, and have been paying around invoice. BTW, it is not to say that Honda dealers are more willing to discount than Toyota in general. It has a lot to do with models, volume and demand. |
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Camry out sold Accord in 2004 by about 10%. Last time Accord out sold Camry was in 2001, according to the online article (http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4021893). It is not to say that one is better than the other, however, since the numbers are pretty close. Most of professional on-line web sites (magazines) comparing these two cars actually prefer Accord over Camry (the current models). It seems that consumers prefer Camry a bit more (or Toyota does marketing a bit better?)
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Honda is selling fewer Accords than Camrys, but the Accord has more than 3 times the posts in the problems and solutions forum in Edmunds compared to the Camry. To be exact, there are 3.3 posts in the Accords' Problems and Solutions forum for each in the Camry. A number of possibilities exist: 1. Accord has more than 3x problems than Camry. 2. Accord's problems are more complex and difficult, requiring 3x amount of posts. 3. Accords' owners are wordy, mouthy, lengthy...requiring 3x the amount of posts to get ideas through. 4. Camry's owners are strong, silent types, preferring not post about their cars' problems. 5. Wives of Camry's owners' discourage posting about cars and forbid visit to Edmunds.com. etc .......
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Replying to: bizi (Jan 26, 2005 12:11 am) Car magazines' writers don't have to buy, pay for, own, repair and live with their test cars for years. Consumers do!
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Replying to: ktnr (Jan 22, 2005 6:39 pm) Can you produce any evidence to dispute these statistics from the IIHS? |
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Replying to: richards38 (Jan 21, 2005 10:47 pm)
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Replying to: jjnikk76 (Jan 26, 2005 1:07 am) One of the auto magazines--maybe "Motor Trend" or "Car & Driver"--tested cars for speed and stability with and without spoilers. The bottom line was that there was no benefit except that one of the tested cars, a Porsche, was either slightly faster and/or more stable, but only at speeds over 125 MPH. I have no plans to drive that fast. So the only value of spoilers is their look which in my view is well named--they spoil the look of the car. Also, to the extent that a spoiler might interfere with rear visibility, it's a safety hazard as well. I respect the opinions of those who think spoilers look good--I see them stuck on just about every kind of car and I hope their owners are happy, but I've never seen any car that I thought was improved by a useless bar bolted to its trunk lid.......Richard
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Replying to: peterpan (Jan 26, 2005 12:23 am) IMO, Honda buyers are more vocal, and probably expect more from their cars, and that could be the reason that there are more posts in the Problems and Solutions forum. To prove my point, I am sure that the total number of forums and posts will be much more for Accord, than Camry, not just the problems boards. Again, you say that Accord owners are wordy, mouthy and lengthy, requiring 3 times the posts to get their message through, implying we are idiots. I don't see why Pat hasn't removed this posting, since it is clearly a personal attack.
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Replying to: peterpan (Jan 25, 2005 9:50 pm) Do you have any statistics to prove this statement? Rental car companies have a lot more Tauruses than Camrys, by your logic, are you saying that a Taurus is more reliable than a Camry? Similarly, I havent nearly as many Corollas as I have seen Cavaliers at rental car companies, does that mean Corollas are not reliable? Anyway, we would all be glad if you could point us to a source upon which you base your opinion. |
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Replying to: peterpan (Jan 26, 2005 12:32 am) You are aware that car magazines DO buy long term test cars? Anyway, based on your logic, should we disregard the media views of cars? The reason car mags was brought into the discussion was because one of the posters said that some publication data shows Camry is better than Accord, so we responded with data from other car mags. |
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