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Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#1437 of 2813 Sludge issue
Jun 09, 2004 (6:26 am)
Toyota had a sludge problem with the 6 cyl. and only with a small percentage of vehicles. It took some time for Toyota to admit it (they claimed that it only affected owners who did not change the oil regularly). They have since compensated those affected. The sludge problem hasn't existed for some time. It is a non-issue. Try both and choose the vehicle you are most comfortable with.
Incidentally my 1994 Camry, 4 cyl. has 270,000kms (165,000 miles) and still runs great (touch wood).
Jun 09, 2004 (8:07 pm)
We own a 1994 Camry XLE, a 1997 XLE and a 2000 Solara SLE. All V-6 engines. We have religiously changed the oil every 3000 miles, even though the manual does not call for that. In any case, we have never experienced any sludge (or other) engine problems with any of these 3 cars. I can't say what would have happened if we had waited until 5000 or 7500 miles to change the oil. Maybe we would have had sludge then.
We have had to replace the water pump in the 94 XLE and the hood gas cylinders have gone bad. Other than that, we haven't had much problems with any of these models. (We have experienced the previously noted aliignment problems on the Solara.)
I don't think the sludge issue is an issue if you change oil regularly.
If fact, we just bought an 04 XLE V6 last month based upon our prior experience with Toyota and the Camry model.
Jun 09, 2004 (11:59 pm)
My wife's RX gets the oil changed at 5,000 miles. No problems.
#1440 of 2813 Sludge Issue
Jun 10, 2004 (4:35 am)
I don't think a cause of sludge was ever determined. Not publicly anyway. The problem still exists in the pre-2002 6-cylinder and 4-cylinder engines. The sludge policy only covers 1997 - 2002 models and includes the Camry, Solara, Avalon, Sienna, Highlander, and Celica plus the Lexus models that have the same engine (ES-300 and RX-300). The problem doesn't seem to be totally based on oil changes, though because I know of some who changed their oil at more frequent intervals who still got sludge. Some people have blamed it on a defective PCV (Toyota changed the PCV design beginning in mid-2002 at the same time the sludge policy was announced). One of the mechanics interviewed in an article at the time the policy came out said he had measured elevated engine head temperatures in the 6-cyl. engine and he thought the high temps were causing the problem. Synthetic oil will provide protection if that is the case.
A 2003 Sienna owner recently reported a sludge problem in the Sienna Problems and Solutions discussion here at Edmunds. This particular owner followed the oil change recommendations in their manual. The repair was covered under the warranty. There are still plenty of reports on the internet about sludge. People usually don't complain if they don't have to pay for the repair, so the ones I have read are usually from people who have been denied coverage under the sludge policy or who are worried about it happening again. I can only assume that there are even more who are getting their engines fixed for free who are not complaining.
Jun 11, 2004 (5:44 am)
looking at both cars, here are the differences that ive noticed in equipment: LE vs. LX
Camry has the following items ( Accord doesnt):
-power driver seat
-split folding rear seat
-full size spare
and a few minor items:
-outside temp gauge
-gas strut to hold hood
Accord has the following (Camry doesn't):
-5 speed auto transmission
-slightly better fuel mileage
Also noticed the following on demographics:
- Accord drivers seem to be a bit younger.
I have a 99 camry with 155k on it and am now looking for something new. Stuck between going with the same car even though I am happy with it, or just a change to the Accord. I like the extra equipment on the camry, but then the Accord did make Car&Drivers top ten, and there is a slight concern about the seats in the camry for long trips. Both are nice cars, tough decision. BTW, it amazes me that Honda doesnt even offer power seats on the EX, and you cant get a cassette player,and an outside temp display is only available on the EX with leather, weird. And dont even get me started on Toyota or Honda when it comes to side airbags. Oh you dont want to get me started.
Jun 11, 2004 (8:08 am)
"And dont even get me started on Toyota or Honda when it comes to side airbags. Oh you dont want to get me started."
All 05 Accords will have side curtain and side airbags srandard.
#1443 of 2813 Camry and I on our honeymoon
Jun 11, 2004 (4:50 pm)
First week with the new Camry SE 6. New car smell has evaporated. Drove it back from Connecticut to Mass. Old Nellie, my 2001 EX v6 Accord is fading from my memory. Liked her a lot, she handled well and gave me a comfortable ride. Couldn't hear the stereo.
I've already stopped noticing the looser feel to the steering wheel in the Camry. The bumps are noticable from time to time, but no biggie. Came home with a trunk full of books, which stopped her from wiggling her rear end on the bad bumps.
Very nice handling, even grins at times. On Judy Collins' My Father, I heard the triangle for the first time in years. Jose Carreras sent chills in La Boheme, and the bass line in Gangsta Paradise sent the chills lower. I passed an Audi 4.2. Smooth, very smooth. Sped up to avoid problems, shifted lanes (with signal, thank you) and slowed seamlessly. At 60-80 it's all quick and easy.
This could be love.
#1444 of 2813 Re: Camry and I on our honeymoon [doctorrocket9 #1443]
Jun 11, 2004 (5:56 pm)
That is why my wife sometimes tells me that my car is my number one wife and she is only my mistress I don't know if other posters hear the same comment from their wives.
Jun 13, 2004 (5:50 am)
Lol, are you kidding. We're all in love with our cars. Thats why we're here.
Jun 13, 2004 (6:20 am)
Toyota is introducing the much anticipated 3.5L V6 engine for the Avalon in MY 2006. It will be nice if that engine found its way under the Camry's hood. It will pump out somewhere between 270 to 275 hp. That should be enough to leave the Accord and Altima in the dust. Although by then I wouldn't be surprised if Nissan comes out with a 300 hp Altima.