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Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#1395 of 2813 3 months later ...
Apr 08, 2004 (2:38 pm)
We got a 2004 Accord LX-V6 sedan early January. It's my wife's car but she is not a car person. I picked the Accord over the Camry. We had very low mileage (I'm too embrassed to give the number) but here is my thought after 3 months.
Negative: the ride over bad roads is harsh. It is fine on moderately-bad roads, but on worse-than-average roads it is worse than I expect. I frequently drive a 1999 Civic, so I am used to Honda suspensions. I thought the Accord couldn't be worse than the Civic (I thought longer-wheelbase and heavier ==> better ride), but somehow it feels worse. Maybe due to the lower profile tires? Our Accord has steel wheels; I wonder if lighter alloy wheels can improve the ride.
We miss the automatic door-locking mechanism (a safety feature). On the 1999 Civic EX Sedan, all doors lock automatically when we start the engine, and unlock automatically when we turn off the engine. (Does the Accord EX has this feature?) On our previous American car (1994 Intrepid ES), the doors lock automatically once the car reaches certain speed.
Positive: No rattles or any other problems so far. (I think it is wise to wait till 2nd year of a new model before buying, even for a Honda/Toyota.) We are not very "discerning" so we may not notice minor rattles or build trim problems.
Also, for someone who is analytical/objective (when comparing Accord/Camry) and not concerned about styles etc., I find that I really like the luxury look of the LED instrument panel.
Regarding the ride, I was starting to think that maybe I should have chosen the Camry instead. (We have a 3-year old, and a baby coming in October.) That is, until I saw the NHTSA crash test results for the 2004 Camry. Then I am glad I picked the Accord. Honda has put a higher focus/emphasis on safety compared to Toyota, with its own crash test facility etc., and it shows in the consistently good crash results on all its new models. (Subaru is also good. And VW, but I won't consider VW because of reliability.)
#1396 of 2813 I am concerned about the
Apr 08, 2004 (3:37 pm)
Camry's crash test ratings as well. But theres some wild fluctations in those tests, without Toyota doing anything to the restraint systems. I've no idea why the Camry, all of a sudden, went from 5 stars in the side impact for rear passenger, down to 3 stars. It was also a surprise that the driver dummy went down to 4 stars from the previous 5 in the frontal impact. The only changes I have read about have been in regards to strenghthening the drivers door, to improve upon side impact safety- from 3 stars last year to 4 stars this year.
It is all very strange, and makes me wonder about the repeatability of the NHTSA tests.
On the other hand, the IIHS offset tests seem very repeatable, and in this measure the Accord and Camry finish 1st and 2nd in their class.
#1397 of 2813 IIHS side crash test
Apr 08, 2004 (4:54 pm)
BTW alpha, I read your posts from about 2 months ago about the imminent release of IIHS side crash test results on mid-side sedans, but I haven't seen anything yet. Do you know what happen to that, when will it be released?
Apr 08, 2004 (6:09 pm)
No, I do not know what happened. My post was regarding an episode of MotorWeek which showed that IIHS had been doing its battery of tests on midsize sedans. I dont think I was mistaken, but perhaps the epsiode was about the frontal offsets that have recently been released for midsize vehicles. OR my guess, if the IIHS has indeed tested the midsizers in the side impact, is that auto mfrs. implored the IIHS not to release results until they could offer side impact protection more widely. I read other places on these boards that there are supply issues regarding airbags and systems. The results of the side impact tests for compact SUVs were alarming to the general public to say the least, so perhaps the IIHS is cutting some slack until next year?
May 04, 2004 (8:44 am)
I need some help. I am looking at buying a new car next month and have narrowed it down to an Accord or Camry (obviously). I have read the threads here but it seems no one is comparing the 2 or giving their reviews on the cars, only having side conversations.
Is there anywhere I can get some good opinions on these 2 cars?
May 04, 2004 (12:49 pm)
email me-- have driven both in bast few months-- see my profile for email address
May 04, 2004 (1:18 pm)
Hey ral! Why not post your thoughts right here? Lots of folks would like to read them ...
May 05, 2004 (6:59 am)
i drove my dad's camry (2003) for a few days, and also test drove accord-- ended up buying accord...
strictly opinion, and in no particular order...
little things added up...
1) i like center arm rest on accord-- it slides forward and back..nice.
2) i like EX version with moonroof and XM radio... 4 cylinder-- 30 mpg... plenty of oomph..and satellite radio is real nice to have...
3) i like the keyless entry fob built into the key on the honda...
4) i didn't like toyota $450 TDA or whatever advertising fee tacked on...
5) i like the instrumentation in accord-- the lighting..
6) after a few days with camry, seemed somewhat boring interior....
those are just some things that come to mind...
i go along with consensus that camry is "quieter" ride-- accord offers more road feel...
both cars are nice-- all depends on your own views... test drive both... there's some things in the toyota i liked better (location of moonroof switch, for one)....
May 05, 2004 (7:16 am)
Along with other upgrades, the 2005 Camry (available late summer) will directly address these two issues:
"5) i like the instrumentation in accord-- the lighting.."
Optitron gauge illumination will be standard, and there is a rumor that the color choice for lighting may be selectable (between white, blue, and redish). Thats a feature on Asian market Camrys that might not make it here, but at the very least, instrumentation will be the jazzy Optitron type, and similar in function to Accords.
6) after a few days with camry, seemed somewhat boring interior....
Somewhat agreed, though the Camrys dash is highly functional, its stylistically more plain than the Accords. New lower dash for 2005, as well as a new stereo head unit.
ricowiz- Can you wait until the Fall for your purchase? The Camry will be significantly upgraded by then, with the addition of a 5 speed automatic to the 4 cylinder, larger wheel and tire options, a few more hp for the 4 cylinder, the 3.3L V6 in all trim lines, revised front and rear styling, etc. Side curtain airbags will be more widely available as well.
Adittionally, the Accord is expected to have a revised front and rear for 2005, and side curtain airbags will be standard on all models.
If you were buying RIGHT NOW, at this very moment, though... I'd say go Accord EX 4 (5A) cylinder, with side curtain option. $23,290 on the sticker, and you can probably pick one up for $20,250 with some haggling.
#1404 of 2813 Does on "sit taller" in Accord vs. Camry; Visibility?
May 05, 2004 (9:00 am)
I'm getting very close to trading my 1993 Camry in for a 2004 Subaru Forester XS because I love the spirited performance, visibility and sitting tall in the saddle, without sacrificing gas mileage. I've driven the Camry and dismissed it due to lack of visibity in the rear - the salesman explained it as "aerodynamic styling." Horsefeathers! I wonder if the Accord also has that "aerodynamic styling" that prevents the driver from seeing where the rearend of the car is. What is your experience? Thanks.