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#2 of 2806 errr. ... new thread .... same old discussion by number17 Jul 31, 2000 (2:28 pm)
The Accord vs Camry discussion can actually last 3 rounds? I think that means one thing for sure - both are excellent vehicles. Now, back to the discussion ... 1/ Sportiness in a mid-sized sedan: I agree sporty coupes like Prelude, Celica ... are sportier than any of the mid-sized sedans, but that does not mean buyers in this market are not necessarily looking for some fun in their car. Sure, in an ideal world, you drive a sports car when you want to have some fun, and you drive the mid-sized sedan to go to dinner with your family, drive the jeep for camping trips, and van for long trips .... however, $$ is a limited resource for most ppl (if it's not for you, you should not be reading this thread - try 911 Carrera C5 ... that's one FUN car!), some ppl (like myself) do prefer a vehicle that has the convenience of 4 doors, practicality of useable backseat, yet does not give up their sportiness in their car. Thus sports sedans, which are compromises between sportiness and practicality. 2/ Continuing with that theory, all mid-sized cars are a compromise, somewhere in between sportiness and comfort, within a limited budget. The Accord has a heavier emphasis on sportiness, handling, while sacrificng quietness, comfort ... the Camry is designed to max out comfort, refinement, smoothness, at the price of sportiness. Can a car be all sporty while is also comfortable and quiet?? Sure it can, but not within this price range = ) 3/ Thus, going back to square 1 - Accord is for those are looking for the practicality of a mid-size sedan, yet enjoys driving, and is willing to give up some comfort and quietness for it. Camry is for those who don't care much about driving fun, and would rather opt for the quietness, refinment, smoothness .... I think both are excellent vehicles, with different purposes in a relative sense. Obviously, both are built within the limitation of 'mid-sized sedans', so as sporty as the Accord is, it still is no Prelude. And as refined / comfortable as the Camry is, it is no luxury sedan. I think most of us are in agreement on these 3 points .... and thus what continues to amaze me is ... why is the discussion still alive? = ) I thought these 3 points should be crystal clear. #17 Replies to this message: camryusa (Aug 30, 2006 8:53 pm) thegraduate (Aug 31, 2006 6:00 am) sammya_md (Aug 31, 2006 10:29 am)
#3 of 2806 agree with #17 by wenyue Jul 31, 2000 (4:08 pm)
I think everyone knows that the Camry has got a more luxury feel, while the Accord has got a sportier feel. There is nothing wrong with prefering one way or the other. Everyone should buy what suits themselves. Both cars have huge number of fans. Since these two cars (and brands) are arch rivals, that's probably why this subject dragged on so long.
#4 of 2806 my .02 by 1salesman1 Jul 31, 2000 (4:54 pm)
what i tell my honda customers is simply this: both cars are great vehicles, but the main difference is  the accord is a drivers vehicle  the camry is a riders car
#5 of 2806 liufei by liufei Jul 31, 2000 (5:02 pm)
Driver's vehicle? Rider's car?? Heh, I like your style 1salesman1. One thing though, if these two cars are arch rivals, yet their target driver consist of two different groups, then its feasible when Toyota and Honda design and market them, they knowingly avoid direct competition by doing so. I find that hard to believe, but its logically feasible.
#6 of 2806 Salesman1 by everyday Jul 31, 2000 (5:27 pm)
Is that when all your prospective buyers leave your dealership and go buy a Camry? Toyota now knows where all their sales come from. Round Three? I thought we're in round fifteen by now. And still no signs of a decision. It's time for somebody to bite an ear off....
#7 of 2806 re post #6 by 1salesman1 Jul 31, 2000 (5:28 pm)
i would bet that about 80% people that come on my lot and look at the accord have already looked at the camry or will (that is if i get them driving off in a new accord before they have a chance to look at the camry )
#8 of 2806 everyday by 1salesman1 Jul 31, 2000 (5:34 pm)
i guess that you were not aware of the fact that as far as consumer purchases, the accord actually beat the camry last year. but camry does about 15% of their business with fleet sales which maked them the #1 last year. and about your cocky remark, i tell most of my customers that come in and look at the accord first to go drive a camry or drive them in one that i have on my used lot to compare. and guess what, i dont care if they buy a toyota, because they are good buys, and i wont worry about the sales that i lost when i go to the bank with my comm.
#9 of 2806 Drivers Vehicle by amazon Jul 31, 2000 (5:40 pm)
The V6 Accord will not be a drivers vehicle until it's available with a manual transmission. Period.
#10 of 2806 amazon by 1salesman1 Jul 31, 2000 (5:42 pm)
that is a very valid point, that is the only thing about the accord i wish they would change. but since they came out with the v6 in the accord in 1995, it has never been an option.
#11 of 2806 amazon by number17 Jul 31, 2000 (5:53 pm)
I do not agree. Sure the lack of a MT takes away a lot of driver interaction, and thus is a lot less fun to drive. Yet, the overall driving dynamics of the car is still sporty, thus making it still a driver's vehicle compared to other mid-sized sedans IMO. You cannot say AT Ferrari 456 GT is not a driver's car. It is just not as sporty as a MT one. Honda's never developed the manual tranny for this 3.0L V6 engine since it debuted back in 94, I believe. THe V6 engine was deployed specifically for the NA market only, cos NAmericans feel that a 4cyc sedan is NOT a serious car, regardless of what kind of output the 4 banger can produce. Market surveys also show that NAmerican drivers DO NOT like shifting for themselves. As a matter of fact, only 5% of Maxima's are sold with 5sp MT even though it is an option. 95% are sold with AT. Thus it was a business decision to not spend the $$ on developing the MT for the engine made specifically for NA. European Accords and Japanese Accords only have 4 banger engines. The Accord Type R has Prelude's 2.2L DOHC VTEC 4 banger, which produces peak of 210hp, and is available with an accurate and precise MT. It is a seriously fun to drive sports sedan. #17

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