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#8669 of 9045 Re: 2007 Acura TL to get 300 HP... [maximafan]
Jul 10, 2006 (9:26 pm)
I'm not sure about the current Maxima, or the pre-'95 version. My reference was to the '95 - '99 generation because habitat1 has a 1995 5-speed Maxima and he said the Impala SS isn't much faster. I don't remember the exact issue of Car & Driver, but I know over the years they tested a few of the '95 - '99 Maximas, and the slowest time they recorded for an automatic was around 8.1 - 8.3 seconds.
#8670 of 9045 Re: 2007 Acura TL to get 300 HP... [priggly]
Jul 11, 2006 (10:27 am)
FYI the 0-60 time for the SS is 5.6 sec, not 6.0 sec., according to both GM and Car & Driver.
Yeah, we all drive like the kids that work for Car and Driver, don't we? Like standing on the brake and accelerator at the same time before "launching" an automatic transmission car. Or dropping the clutch at 6,000 rpm in a manual. They managed to get the new Porsche 911S from 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. The other car magazines had it at 4.1 to 4.4. Porsche itself doesn't lose any pride in publishing a ultra conservative figure like 4.6. But not GM. Oh no - if Car and Driver drove the SS off a vertical cliff and managed 5.0, that would be all over GM's marketing material without any footnotes. In fairness, Acura isn't much better with it's forced restatement of horsepower ratings.
And this with minimal torque steer, as opposed to the ridiculous statement to the effect that a powerful FWD car is "dangerous." Any car is dangerous if an idiot drives it. The SS also has a top end of 154 mph, 1 mph slower than the current M3.
O.K. I get it, that was a hidden joke, right? What "idiot" would even attempt to test the top end of a front wheel drive car at 154 mph? Any idea of what to do when the rear end, with nothing but about 35% of the cars weight holding it down, breaks loose and sends the rolling? Or when a slight vibration in the front combined steering and driving wheels gets amplified and the car loses control? An M3, electronically goverened to 155, would be more stable (and safe) at that speed than ANY front wheel drive car at 125. And many at 100.
Look, I bought a FWD TL 6-speed for it's combination of sportiness, build quality, amenities, etc. It's a very nice car for that purpose. But I'm not kidding myself that I own a serious, high performance sports sedan in the league of a M5, BMW 550i, M3 or even 330i. I know and appreciate the difference in handling, balance, acceleration, control and overall driving dynamics between a FWD and RWD chassis. If you want to embark on the dillusion that there isn't a HUGE difference, that's up to you. But please don't try to confirm Car and Driver's figures without renewing your life insurance policy.
P.S. I wouldn't even dilude myself into thinking a 4-speed slushbox was remotely "sporty" in any car, but there's another forum for that debate.
#8671 of 9045 Re: 2007 Acura TL to get 300 HP... [bodble2]
Jul 11, 2006 (11:36 am)
Car and Driver, Motor Trend and Road and Track all tested the 1995 5-speed manual Maxima at 6.5-6.8 seconds 0-60. My 2004 TL 6-speed has been rated at 5.8 to 6.3 by the same magazines. That's about the right difference, based upon my buttmeter. The TL is quicker, but not what you'd expect in going from 190 to 270 (er, 258) horsepower. A lot of that extra FWD power goes into wheel hop and tire spinning. Cool if you are 16. I'm not. (Nor do I drive automatic "non-sport" sedans unless I'm forced to by Hertz or Avis.)
Whether or not you agree with billyperks that excessive power in FWD cars is dangerous, you would have had to have failed your physics class or never really driven a true sports sedan like a 550i to think there isn't a huge difference in driving dynamics.
#8672 of 9045 Re: 2007 Acura TL to get 300 HP... [habitat1]
Jul 11, 2006 (5:26 pm)
I have no idea what you're referring to. Maybe you got confused and are actually replying to someone else's post?
My point simply was that the '95 - '99 gen Maxima automatic had 0-60 times more in the high 7 - mid 8 second range, not the mid 6 second times that early manual versions were able to pull off. Therefore, if the (automatic-equipped) SS was tested at 6 sec., then that would have made it faster than the Max, by a material margin.
Other than that, I couldn't care less what the TL 6-speed was tested at; how sensitive your butt is; whether or not you're 16 or 64; or how often you rent from Avis and Hertz!
And no, I have not driven a "true sports sedan" like a 550i (but I never said I did). I guess my loss. But then again, I don't own a "new 911", and my wife is not a lawyer. So I have to be a bit more "frugal".
#8673 of 9045 Re: 2007 Acura TL to get 300 HP... [habitat1]
Jul 14, 2006 (7:01 am)
Look, I bought a FWD TL 6-speed for it's combination of sportiness, build quality, amenities, etc. It's a very nice car for that purpose. But I'm not kidding myself that I own a serious, high performance sports sedan in the league of a M5, BMW 550i, M3 or even 330i. I know and appreciate the difference in handling, balance, acceleration, control and overall driving dynamics between a FWD and RWD chassis.
I have owned some higher-perf rear drivers and have owned front drivers and we currently have an 04 TL in our stable. I would agree that there is absolutely no point in adding any more HP to current TL chasis.
Yes, a well weight balanced rear driver is better at car and driver's "limits". But, how often does a person, even an enthusiast drive at capability limits. At legal speeds, whether on interstate or back roads, and driving sanely at much much less than ten-tenths, the TL is a great performer.
Granted that the expert testers at all car magazines say that BMW 3 feels better subjectively than a front driver like the TL. But, in actual "measured" handling tests at Edmunds and R & T, the TL equals the 3 Series in slalom handling. The TL actually beats the 3 series in slalom by a second+ per Edmunds. Following are comments from Edmunds:
"The TL feels extremely confident on the street, but it took several runs through our slalom to confirm its status as one of the best-handling front-wheel drivers we've sampled. The steering is properly weighted and offers stellar feedback. The engine's broad torque range and progressive throttle response made powering through the slalom easy, and the smart chassis/suspension tuning allowed us to place the car easily between cones. Technically, it may not be as "fun" as a BMW 3 Series, but it obviously goes through the slalom just as rapidly."
Edmunds subjectively rated handling on both the TL and 3 series as "Excellent".
Another issue is driving in snow-belt states. TL has advantage over BMW in ice and snow and would then be better overall choice if one has to contend with this 3-4 months per year.
#8674 of 9045 Re: 2007 Acura TL to get 300 HP... [xrunner2]
Jul 14, 2006 (8:40 am)
TL has advantage over BMW in ice and snow
What's ice and snow?
#8675 of 9045 Re: 2007 Acura TL to get 300 HP... [meateater]
Jul 14, 2006 (9:57 am)
"What's ice and snow?"
Fabulous for skating and skiing!!! And six or seven months worth of weather in New England...
Snow good. Ice bad.
#8676 of 9045 Question about the Oil Change reminder
Jul 16, 2006 (5:23 am)
Hey all, I've had my TL for over a year now, and have consistently changed my oil in accordance with the car's reminder, mainly b/c I understood that it wasn't just milage-based - there is some "sensing" going on in there.
Anyway, my sensor was on for me to change the oil, I'm gonna get it done next week, so I decided to reset the system so it wouldn't display "BS" all the time. I expected it to go away, and then in a few days,l the sensor would notice I still need the oil change, but that hasn't happened. It's been about 4 days now, and I've driven the car at least twice each of those days, but the computer says my oil is at 100%.
Now I'm thinking that maybe this sensor is just based on mileage. Any comments?
Jul 16, 2006 (5:35 am)
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#8678 of 9045 Re: Question about the Oil Change reminder [taxesquire]
Jul 16, 2006 (5:53 am)
There is nothing in the car that senses what condition the oil is in. The system just counts miles, hours, engine temps and overall driving conditions/styles. Then based on those factors it can approximate how long the oil will last. So since you reset the system, the computer thinks the oil is fresh and is basing your percentage left on fresh oil.