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#8532 of 9045 Came home with new/different TL tonight and reommendations
Jun 03, 2006 (8:19 pm)
AFter securing a very good deal on my '06 TL 6 speed with nav by using the internet and then finalizing over the phone, my family and I set out for a 460 round trip road trip this morning. Went up in my soon to be for sale '01 BMW 330i and i tell you driving the BMW makes it very hard for me leave the European engineering family. However, I feel it might be time for a change.
My intention was to come home with a white diamond pearl with parchement interior. We test drove this car upon my arrival. This dealership had a black, silver and anthracite in the features I wanted (6 speed and navi). My last 2 BMW's since 1999 were white with the first having parchement and the second having black.
To make a long story short the anthracite/ebony was a striking combo and we came home with that. Wife got to drive the BMW home and I drove the TL . Very pleased with the vehicle after spending over 3 1/2 hours in it and over 230 miles. I actually got 30 mpg and I tried to keep it between 70-75 on the highway. Had some start and go when I left NOVA but not much after that. XM was nice but I found myself constantly searching the channels for songs I wanted to listen to.
1) Quick, responsive and tight. I thought it was powerful throughout the rev band.
2) Pick-up in 6th is good but not great if you need to pass very quickly and get your speed up on the highway. My 330i's 5th gear was a true driving gear and I never had to downshift to go from 70 to 90 mph in a VERY short period of time
3) Great interior layout
4) Wish the driver's seat had slide out front section for thighs
5) Wish fog lights were down lower and could be used independent of the headlights
6) Great cupholders
7) Good storage
8) Sliding armrest is a nice feature
9) I like an integrated key/fob instead of the separate key and fob that Acura uses
10) Interior room is much better than my '01 330i
11) Visors are cloth. Luxury sedan these should be in leather or at least a very good leatherette
12) Tach and speedo should be same size
13) Loved the interior blue illumination during the day and night
14) Would like the avg mpg to be in tenths instead of rounded numbers.
15) Bluetooth is really nice. I have to study up on all the voice commands available
16) I did notice that when the voice would come on I could barely here it when I had the volume on the radio turned up very high and sunroof opened. Adjusted the volume on the nav screen but didn't really make much difference.
17) Headrests don't seem to stay tilted. Even sales rep said they don't really tilt but just go up and down. Owners manual says they tilt but if you apply backward pressure they seem to move back to the original position
18) Passenger seat should be 6 way and not just 4
19) Still a little difficult shifting between 1-2. Read here to maybe put in the GM product and it makes the shifting 100% better. Any feedback on this from you guys.
The Acura is a very fine car. I had my reservations after coming from 2 BMW's that were just a pure enjoyment to drive. But I really needed more room and to get the same interior space on the TL i had to go to a 5 series. 5 problems with that is the 530i is WAAAY overpriced by the time you add on the options, the interior is boring, i-drive is just plan nonsense, exterior door panels are too plain looking, I would have to buy a used '04 to even be close to the price I paid for a new '06 TL. I will say the BMW is a better handler with better road feel but I will also say that 99% of the driving I do will never allow me to truely appreciate the FULL ability of the Bavarian import. I don't know and I'm only going north in age so it won't get any more unless I were to joing the BMW club and go the race track. I will give the Acura a chance and I hope the front wheel drive and torque steer don't ruin my alredy favorable impression. No problems with it today but I did spin the wheels on my test drive and really didn't try or mean to.
#8533 of 9045 Re: Body Side Molding [cecilt1]
Jun 04, 2006 (12:45 pm)
I have a 2006 TL, Alabaster Silver. I had the body side molding put on as part of the sale. I did it for protection, but it also enhances the looks. It makes the car look lower which helps because the '06 is taller, but shorter in length than my '03 Type S. Car buffs I know all compliment the looks, some even say it makes the car look more like a "beemer" which may be good or bad depending on how you feel about BMW.
#8534 of 9045 Re: Came home with new/different TL tonight and reommendations [cecilt1]
Jun 05, 2006 (3:36 am)
Congratulations on the new TL. I have an identical 2004 model, anthracite/ebony, 6-speed, navi, (also HPT tires).
(1) You are right about 6th gear - it is strictly for cruising once you get up to speed (65+). Even 5th gear is too high to allow for much acceleration. I really notice this now that we have a 911S, in which it's 6th gear runs at higher RPM's at 70 than the TL. The 911 is designed to reach top speed (182) at redline (7,200) in 6th. The TL is geared, I presume, for fuel economy, although if you are not going 70+ in 6th, I find that fuel economy suffers as the car "lugs" up hills at lower speeds.
(2) I presume you were told that during break-in you are supposed to vary speeds / engine RPM's and NOT use cruise control.
(3) I would NOT recommend adding any transmission additive because of 1-2 gear notchiness. I have no such issue, but I do recall it feeling a little rough compared to our other/previous cars when the TL was new. Wait until you break in the clutch and engine before you make any final decision.
Enjoy your new ride.
#8535 of 9045 Re: Came home with new/different TL tonight and reommendations [habitat1]
Jun 05, 2006 (7:54 am)
I didn't use the cruise on the way home but ran it in 6th gear while on the highway and tried to moderate speeds between 68-74. I pulled over a couple of times just to give the engine a change. I hope this was okay.
#8536 of 9045 Re: Came home with new/different TL tonight and reommendations [cecilt1]
Jun 05, 2006 (9:15 am)
Probably fine. I picked up our TL at our hometown dealer, 375 miles away. In driving it home, I varied the speed from 55 to 75 and ran it in 5th gear for some 60 mph stretches, to further vary the RPMs.
The other thing my Porsche dealer advocates is to not drive the car for lots of short hops during the breakin period. His rule: turn the key on for a minimum of 20 minutes of driving. That way, all of the engine parts, seals, etc. reach full operating temperature and expand and contract through their full range. You could probably get away with 10-15 minutes on the TL, since the 911 has 9+ quarts of Mobil 1 to heat up.
Lots of folks don't think newer, non-high performance cars need much of a break in procedure. But I think its a good idea whether it's a Porsche or an Acura.
#8537 of 9045 Re: Came home with new/different TL tonight and reommendations [habitat1]
Jun 05, 2006 (11:20 am)
I've heard that new car break in periods are overrated and that many people say to drive them as you would a month from now. My main thing not to do is redline it or make multiple hard starts in 1st gear.
The shifting in the TL between 1-2 is horrendous. I read that most people find this to be the case on the 6 speed and I have to agree with them. The solution that has been posted here was to drain the Honda fluid and put in GM Syncromesh Friction Modified fluid. People who have done it said it felt like a new car and the shifting was like butter. If mine doesn't get smoother I'm going to do this. I can get it to be smooth but it takes effort and I can't stand the jerk when going between 1-2.
#8538 of 9045 Re: Came home with new/different TL tonight and reommendations [cecilt1]
Jun 06, 2006 (3:17 am)
"I've heard that new car break in periods are overrated and that many people say to drive them as you would a month from now."
I've heard the same thing, but generally from people that I wouldn't buy a used car from.
But when I heard the same break in recommendations for my 911 (and previous Honda S2000) from a Porsche factory engineer, a former Porsche race team member, a Honda racing team engineer, and a friend with an MS in ME and Material Science, I figured they couldn't all be part of an anal retentive conspiracy.
Does the TL 6-speed need to be treated with the same care as a 911 or Honda S2000? Probably not. But it wasn't that hard to do it, so I did.
"The shifting in the TL between 1-2 is horrendous. I read that most people find this to be the case on the 6 speed and I have to agree with them. The solution that has been posted here was to drain the Honda fluid and put in GM Syncromesh Friction Modified fluid. People who have done it said it felt like a new car and the shifting was like butter."
Whether it's my particular car or my definition of "horrendous", I do not find the 1-2 shift to qualify for that description. And, perhaps this is my bias showing through, but I don't exactly consider GM to be a leader in manual transmissions. Nor do I particularly want a car that shifts like "butter". That sounds too much like a Buick/Lexus suspension with no steering feedback. I want a firm engagement with positive feedback and that I can feel and control. My 911 is perfect in this regard. Most BMW's I've driven are very good. My former Honda S2000 was very good. My TL 6-speed is fair to good. Personally, my gripe with Honda/Acura compared to Porsche/BMW is a slightly mushy clutch that can slip as it partially engages under hard acceleration. It makes it easy for someone who has never driven the car to hop in and take off without doing the herky jerky. But I'd rather have more positive engagement and accept the fact that it requires a learning curve to get the feel for it. To each there own.
#8539 of 9045 Re: Welcome [L8_Apex]
Jun 07, 2006 (6:57 pm)
Do the 05 and 06's TL's have tranny issues as the 99-04 models have, or is it too early to tell? acura claims that the trannies are redesigned, but I dont think they are all that different, plus they will say anything to sell the darn car. Is the transmission really that different from the past years.
#8540 of 9045 Re: Welcome [ashahdds]
Jun 07, 2006 (7:31 pm)
From consumer report, 04 transmission is half red 05 is full red 06 is too early to tell; from 99 - half black turns full black till 03. Since TL is a popular car with decent volume, I think the consumer report statistics reflect some improvement from owners.
#8541 of 9045 Re: Welcome [ashahdds]
Jun 08, 2006 (11:57 am)
Do the 05 and 06's TL's have tranny issues as the 99-04 models have, or is it too early to tell?
The TL was redesigned for '04, so the comparison should be with '99-'03.
A few early '04 models had a problem with second gear if I recall. That issues was resolved quickly. My '04 (mid year) has had no issues with the tranny or anything else for that matter.