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Acura TL, Sedan
#6582 of 9045 Re: No transmission failure (Recall is NOT failure) [1hopeck]
Dec 07, 2004 (12:12 pm)
I am not arguing about the recall for the earlier build. Its true for earlier build and like I said its OLD NEWS. Mine is not one of them. NO RECALL on mine
If you read my post carefully, I said "COMPLAINT" not recall. Look under complaint.
Even with the earlier build that was recalled, there is no evidence of complaint about transmission failure. At least no data on NHTSA for this 1 year and 2 months sedan. Becuz the company has responsed quickly after finding only 1 case and issued the recall.
Some post complaining about transmission failure but none of them are from owner of 2004 TL, mostly from TL 99-2003 or people owning other brand. And again its about transmission failure, I'm fine with the recall, its about manufacturer's responsibility and quick response. Some manufacturer tried to delay/avoid to acknowledge that there is a defect and not willing to issue a recall. Even my 1997 Accord(147k miles) recently, still got a letter requesting me to replace ignition switch for free.
Affected models include certain 2003 and early 2004 model Accord V6 sedans and coupes, 2000-2003 and early 2004 Acura TL sedans, and 2001-2003 Acura CL coupes. Quoted from article
Dec 07, 2004 (12:50 pm)
G35 2004 has 3 cases of transmission, 2 with manual and 1 with auto. But no recall has been issued.
G35 2004 NHTSA Complaint Number: 10098647
TRANSMISSION MAKES CHATTERING NOISE AS THE ENGINE SHUTS DOWN (ONLY ABLE TO HEAR WHEN THE TRANSMISSION IS WARMED UP AND ONLY ABLE TO HEAR IT FROM OUTSIDE OR WITH THE DOOR OPEN.). TRANSMISSION WAS REPLACED BUT THE CHATTERING NOISE STILL EXISTS. I WAS TOLD THAT THE PROBLEM EXISTS INTERNALLY IN ALL 6 SPEED TRANNYS' AND THE PROBLEM CAN NOT BE ATTENDED TO UNLESS MORE PEOPLE COMPLAIN
WAITING FOR A DISASTER?
#6584 of 9045 Re: No transmission failure [danny1878]
Dec 07, 2004 (4:41 pm)
NHTSA Action Number: DP04001
MS. CLAIRE M. TIEDER OF RESTON, VA
requesting a defect investigation be conducted into delayed transmission engagement on model year 2004 BMW XI vehicles.
BMW'S response to NHTSA'S information request indicated that certain BMW 3-SERIES Vehicles equipped with the GM5 Transmission may exhibited
a forward 'PARK' TO 'DRIVE' engagement delay from 2 TO 30 seconds.
However, the condition can occur only during a vehicle "COLD START," after the vehicle has been at rest fro more than eight hours.
Drivers experiencing the delay have learned to take precautionary and compensatory measures.
BWM will replace affected transmissions exhibiting the delay, after the condition has been verified, with an IMPROVED UNIT. "
Before BMW knew the reason why, the fix was a new tranny....since then however they discovered that the problem was EGS Programing, Bulletin 27 07 03 and problem corrected.
#6585 of 9045 break-in period
Dec 07, 2004 (8:36 pm)
What is the break in period and considerations for a 2005 tl?
#6586 of 9045 met with the lawyer from San Diego today
Dec 07, 2004 (10:01 pm)
We had a videographer film a short interview with me today. The lawyer that interviewed me is flying all over the country this week gathering video taped testimonies. They have also gathered written sworn testimonies from us all. He said that they will be meeting with Honda's Lawyers December the 20th. He felt like something would happen by mid to late January.
He felt ,from his talks with the attorneys from Honda, that their side was well aware that there is a serious problem with this transmission. If something positive comes from this lawsuit he said that it will be an opt out class action. Honda will have to send out letters to all affected owners and unless they hear from you that you do not want to take part, you will benefit from the result. As far as what might come of this, who knows. It looks like perhaps an extended warranty of some sort, but this is all speculation at this time.
This tranny problem has been out there since 99 at least, maybe even earlier. I owned an 88 legend and its transmission went out at 70k, a 99 TL its transmission went out at 38k, and I now own an 03 TL with just 15k on it and I am hoping it holds up. It is fine as of now. Guess I was a fool to buy that last TL after the first one broke down. Just like DANNY 1878 I had the wool pulled over my eyes and actually thought that Honda took care of the tranny problem. Worst of all, Honda claims that my car's transmission is fine because it was manufactured late enough in 03 that the problem was taken care of. Because of this it was not eligible for the extended warranty on the tranny they offered customers. This warranty lasts 7 years or 100k miles. Then they turn around and recall my transmission. Why would they recall a transmission that is not defective?? Sounds like I should be eligible for the extended warranty if they are going to acknowledge a problem by recalling it. No such luck.
The lawyer let me know that there have been many owners that have had their vehicle's tranny go out just weeks after that recall work was done. It appears that the oil jet stirs up the metal shavings that can result from the 3rd gear clutch plate and this will make the 2nd gear bind and lock up/break. Yet Honda still continues to do this cheap fix. The real problem with the transmission has not been addressed. New cars being produced right now have the very same transmission, only difference being that the oil jet to the 2nd gear is installed at the factory.
Dec 08, 2004 (8:33 am)
Again maldorf, can you provide any actual figures or documentation that the 99 transmission is involved in the same way as the MYs following it? The transmission was completely changed in 2000, and during all this time, your issue is the only one I've heard about.
The tranny troubles that started with the 2000 MY have been discussed at much length ever since then.
In any case, I wish you luck.
Dec 08, 2004 (9:15 am)
I do not have any documentation handy. I am going by my experience with the transmission, and the fact that I have seen posts on the petition about others having the same issues on their 99s ( see the link I provided earlier for the petition). The lawyer also told me that Honda later offered owners of the 99 TL the extended warranty that other model years got earlier,but that really does not concern me since I got rid of that car long ago after the lease was up. I am concerned now about my 03. We are about to start trying to trade the car in, perhaps for another Audi. The lawyer did tell me he has been getting reports that some dealers are well aware of the transmission problem and are only offering trade-in values thousands of dollars below kelly bluebook. If nobody offers us much for trade-in, I guess we are stuck with it.
Dec 08, 2004 (9:24 am)
I just remembered another point that supports my claim on the 99 TL. At my dealership my car was one of the first to have the problem, but a couple months later many started to come in with the same transmission failure. This was the clutch plate problem, where it downshifts on its own. My car took nearly 2 months to get done, and others after me had similar problems since Honda could not come up with the replacement trannies fast enough to meet demand. The service manager confirmed the problem with the 99, and at that time told me it was fixed for 2000 since it was a revamped tranny!
As far as I can see Honda never did a recall on the 99. The lawyer was saying that Honda would not own up to a problem with the clutch plate, but was admitting to a problem with the 2nd gear. Perhaps the 99s did not have the 2nd gear problem, and this is why it was not recalled?? They must have been getting enough trouble with the 99 though to offer that extended 7 yr 100k mile warranty though.
#6590 of 9045 Re: [maldorf]
Dec 08, 2004 (9:46 am)
This may be somewhat related: The '99 Odysseys had their transmission warranty coverage extended to 7 years or 100,000 miles. This was the first year for the redesigned Odyssey and it has the 3.0 litre engine.
BTW, the tranny on my '98 Accord V6 went out at about 98K and it was not under warranty.
#6591 of 9045 Re: met with the lawyer from San Diego today [maldorf]
Dec 08, 2004 (3:06 pm)
The problem with most class action suits is that the lawyers get most of the settlement and quite often the plaintiffs get far less than the class action suit would lead them to believe they "deserve."