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#6578 of 9045 Transmission Comments
Dec 07, 2004 (3:40 am)
There appears to be a lot of mystery as to what the actual facts are regarding Honda/Acura automatic transmssions. "Early build" 2004 model TLs were indeed recalled - a friend of ours has one they bought last November and it went back to the dealership. What constitutes "early build" and what did Acura presumably do mid year to correct the probelm at its root?? The MDX got an entirely new transmission for 2004, or did it? The "fix" is just a lubrication system for an otherwise flawed design that will eventually fail before it should, or is it??
My point is that, for Honda/Acura, the fact that reasonably educated posters in this forum don't know what the hell the actual, fact based, full story is, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
It's one thing for me to speculate about buying a Land Rover LR3 and wondering what might go wrong with it. But, damn it, if I'm going to buy an Acura MDX or TL with and automatic transmission, and the problem has been out in public since about 1999/2000, I should be able to buy in 2004/5 with complete confidence and knowledge that Honda has addressed the problem. And Honda should put the entire story in black and white so as to be completely clear as to what was the probelm and how it was fixed. Loyal Handa/Acura owners shouldn't need to use Google trying to figure out what is really going on.
I have purchased no fewer than 5 new Hondas/Acuras in the past, all with manual transmissions (Civic, Integra, Legend GS, S2000, TL). My friendly Acura service manager, former owner of a 225,000 miles Legend GS 6-speed, privately admits that he would not buy an automatic TL or pre-2004 MDX for his own family.
I am venting, not really looking for a response. But for a company that gets it right about 99% of the time, the automatic transmission mystery has been the most poorly handled matter I have ever seen. It's downright Ford like.
#6579 of 9045 Re: TL vs. G35 [maldorf]
Dec 07, 2004 (11:28 am)
thanks much, maldorf....
you have been a great help...
I like the TL....mind you...and feel sorry that Honda / Acura , with its great reputation, has to go thru this. I understand its a honest mistake/problem .
I hope this issue gets resolved without stiffing the consumers...
I have not gotten my recall notice yet....since it is so new a car....
#6580 of 9045 Re: Transmission Comments [habitat1]
Dec 07, 2004 (11:30 am)
My friend's TL (AT) was purchased in 5/04 and Acura told them that there's no recall for theirs. At least that means that the recall is indeed only for 'early' TL of 04's. Now does that mean TL now does not have the problem, or at the minimum have the patch applied already b4 it's shipped?
#6581 of 9045 Re: No transmission failure [danny1878]
Dec 07, 2004 (11:56 am)
You need not to look any further than at the NHTA Office of Defects Investigation to see in fact the 2004 TL has been recalled for a Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION.
Make : ACURA Model : 3.2TL Year : 2004
Manufacturer : AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V176000 Recall Date : APR 13, 2004
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 1099796
ON SOME MINI VANS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES, CERTAIN OPERATING CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN HEAT BUILD-UP BETWEEN THE COUNTERSHAFT AND SECONDARY SHAFT SECOND GEARS IN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, EVENTUALLY LEADING TO GEAR TOOTH CHIPPING OR GEAR BREAKAGE.
GEAR FAILURE COULD RESULT IN TRANSMISSION LOCKUP, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
ON VEHICLES WITH 15,000 MILES OR LESS, THE DEALER WILL UPDATE THE TRANSMISSION WITH A SIMPLE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE TO INCREASE LUBRICATION TO THE SECOND GEAR. ON VEHICLES WITH MORE THAN 15,000 MILES, THE DEALER WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSION TO IDENTIFY GEARS THAT HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED DISCOLORATION DUE TO OVERHEATING. IF DISCOLORATION EXISTS, THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE REPLACED IF DISCOLORATION IS NOT PRESENT, THE DEALER WILL PERFORM THE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 21, 2004, FOR PILOT, ODYSSEY, AND MDX OWNERS. OWNERS OF THE ACCORD VEHICLES WILL START RECEIVING LETTERS ON JUNE 28, 2004, AND ON JUNE 29, 2004, FOR OWNERS OF THE TL AND CL VEHICLES. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
HONDA RECALL NOS. P30 (ODYSSEY AND PILOT), P31 (MDX), P38 (ACCORD) AND P39 (ACURA). CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATIONS AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).
#6582 of 9045 Re: No transmission failure (Recall is NOT failure) [1hopeck]
Dec 07, 2004 (12:12 pm)
I am not arguing about the recall for the earlier build. Its true for earlier build and like I said its OLD NEWS. Mine is not one of them. NO RECALL on mine
If you read my post carefully, I said "COMPLAINT" not recall. Look under complaint.
Even with the earlier build that was recalled, there is no evidence of complaint about transmission failure. At least no data on NHTSA for this 1 year and 2 months sedan. Becuz the company has responsed quickly after finding only 1 case and issued the recall.
Some post complaining about transmission failure but none of them are from owner of 2004 TL, mostly from TL 99-2003 or people owning other brand. And again its about transmission failure, I'm fine with the recall, its about manufacturer's responsibility and quick response. Some manufacturer tried to delay/avoid to acknowledge that there is a defect and not willing to issue a recall. Even my 1997 Accord(147k miles) recently, still got a letter requesting me to replace ignition switch for free.
Affected models include certain 2003 and early 2004 model Accord V6 sedans and coupes, 2000-2003 and early 2004 Acura TL sedans, and 2001-2003 Acura CL coupes. Quoted from article
Dec 07, 2004 (12:50 pm)
G35 2004 has 3 cases of transmission, 2 with manual and 1 with auto. But no recall has been issued.
G35 2004 NHTSA Complaint Number: 10098647
TRANSMISSION MAKES CHATTERING NOISE AS THE ENGINE SHUTS DOWN (ONLY ABLE TO HEAR WHEN THE TRANSMISSION IS WARMED UP AND ONLY ABLE TO HEAR IT FROM OUTSIDE OR WITH THE DOOR OPEN.). TRANSMISSION WAS REPLACED BUT THE CHATTERING NOISE STILL EXISTS. I WAS TOLD THAT THE PROBLEM EXISTS INTERNALLY IN ALL 6 SPEED TRANNYS' AND THE PROBLEM CAN NOT BE ATTENDED TO UNLESS MORE PEOPLE COMPLAIN
WAITING FOR A DISASTER?
#6584 of 9045 Re: No transmission failure [danny1878]
Dec 07, 2004 (4:41 pm)
NHTSA Action Number: DP04001
MS. CLAIRE M. TIEDER OF RESTON, VA
requesting a defect investigation be conducted into delayed transmission engagement on model year 2004 BMW XI vehicles.
BMW'S response to NHTSA'S information request indicated that certain BMW 3-SERIES Vehicles equipped with the GM5 Transmission may exhibited
a forward 'PARK' TO 'DRIVE' engagement delay from 2 TO 30 seconds.
However, the condition can occur only during a vehicle "COLD START," after the vehicle has been at rest fro more than eight hours.
Drivers experiencing the delay have learned to take precautionary and compensatory measures.
BWM will replace affected transmissions exhibiting the delay, after the condition has been verified, with an IMPROVED UNIT. "
Before BMW knew the reason why, the fix was a new tranny....since then however they discovered that the problem was EGS Programing, Bulletin 27 07 03 and problem corrected.
#6585 of 9045 break-in period
Dec 07, 2004 (8:36 pm)
What is the break in period and considerations for a 2005 tl?
#6586 of 9045 met with the lawyer from San Diego today
Dec 07, 2004 (10:01 pm)
We had a videographer film a short interview with me today. The lawyer that interviewed me is flying all over the country this week gathering video taped testimonies. They have also gathered written sworn testimonies from us all. He said that they will be meeting with Honda's Lawyers December the 20th. He felt like something would happen by mid to late January.
He felt ,from his talks with the attorneys from Honda, that their side was well aware that there is a serious problem with this transmission. If something positive comes from this lawsuit he said that it will be an opt out class action. Honda will have to send out letters to all affected owners and unless they hear from you that you do not want to take part, you will benefit from the result. As far as what might come of this, who knows. It looks like perhaps an extended warranty of some sort, but this is all speculation at this time.
This tranny problem has been out there since 99 at least, maybe even earlier. I owned an 88 legend and its transmission went out at 70k, a 99 TL its transmission went out at 38k, and I now own an 03 TL with just 15k on it and I am hoping it holds up. It is fine as of now. Guess I was a fool to buy that last TL after the first one broke down. Just like DANNY 1878 I had the wool pulled over my eyes and actually thought that Honda took care of the tranny problem. Worst of all, Honda claims that my car's transmission is fine because it was manufactured late enough in 03 that the problem was taken care of. Because of this it was not eligible for the extended warranty on the tranny they offered customers. This warranty lasts 7 years or 100k miles. Then they turn around and recall my transmission. Why would they recall a transmission that is not defective?? Sounds like I should be eligible for the extended warranty if they are going to acknowledge a problem by recalling it. No such luck.
The lawyer let me know that there have been many owners that have had their vehicle's tranny go out just weeks after that recall work was done. It appears that the oil jet stirs up the metal shavings that can result from the 3rd gear clutch plate and this will make the 2nd gear bind and lock up/break. Yet Honda still continues to do this cheap fix. The real problem with the transmission has not been addressed. New cars being produced right now have the very same transmission, only difference being that the oil jet to the 2nd gear is installed at the factory.
Dec 08, 2004 (8:33 am)
Again maldorf, can you provide any actual figures or documentation that the 99 transmission is involved in the same way as the MYs following it? The transmission was completely changed in 2000, and during all this time, your issue is the only one I've heard about.
The tranny troubles that started with the 2000 MY have been discussed at much length ever since then.
In any case, I wish you luck.