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Acura TL, Sedan
Jun 25, 2004 (5:09 am)
I seriously debated between the E320CDI and TL before I settled on a TL 6-speed (w/ Nav).
I hope that, other than losing Bluetooth and being overcharged for Sirrus, that you are happy with the car. It is interesting that I know of several people that considered both the TL and E320 CDI in spite of a $20k price difference. I guess it's because one is leading edge technology and the other is leading edge engine design / fuel efficiency.
What swung me to the TL was my very strong preference for a 6-speed and, in spite of FWD, a bit more of a driver's car. The TL techno-goodies helped, especially the 8" voice activated Nav system compared to the smaller screen Comand system in the Mercedes. But, in all likelihood, had I gone for the E320 CDI I'd find reasons to affirm that it was the right decision. Like every time I passed a gas station.
So hang in there and don't keep looking over your shoulder. The E320 CDI is a hell of a nice car and, in all likelihood, if you do decide to trade it in 2-3 years, you will fare very well. My marketing director is trading her 1999 E300 TD for a E320CDI coming in July and the dealership, not known for good trade in offers, if giving her $21,000 for a 6 year old car that only cost her $43,000 brand new. Go look at what a 6 year old Acura is worth and I'm quite sure it's not 50% of its new price.
Jun 25, 2004 (12:06 pm)
They're probably selling her the E320CDI at full MSRP though. It all comes out in the wash.
#6057 of 9045 TL vs BMW525/530
Jun 25, 2004 (7:55 pm)
I have been pondering trading my wife's vehicle for something newer. I was considering a TL to sit beside my 04 TSX. Also in the running, TL's competitor: the BMW's 3 and 5 series. So I test drove a TL, a BMS 525 and 530. Here is my opinion, which is worth what you paid for it.
The TL was faster, and more comfortable, than the 530 by a long shot. The interior on the 525/530 was surprising cheap, even with leather. I was not impressed with what 50k+ could buy. Not very good ergonomics. The 525 was slower, or at least seemed to be, than my 4 banger TSX. The 530 was fast as hell. With variable steering, it was fun to drive, but a bit unnerving till I got used to it.
Compared to my TSX, the 325/330 interior was not as plush at least in appearance in my opinion. At least not another 13k worth. I didn't drive the 3 series, and imagine the 330 is even faster than the 530. But it's a lot smaller than the TL.
The TL was faster, more comfortable, and had ever bit as good a materials as the 530. So, if I had to choose, and money was no object, I would still choose the TL over the beemers.
Status or the "look at me, I'm in a BMW" doesn't factor in for me. I buy all my cars outright (don't like owing money or leasing).
I couldn't wrestle a real price from the BMW dealer, other than low fifties, or low forties for the 3 series.
I also looked at but didn't drive an Audi A4 and A6. Nice interiors, but outside is about as boring as you can get. Interior ergonomics better than BMW, but not by much, and inferior to TL's.
The Acural dealer quoted $31,300 for a non-navi, a little high but not by much. The TL wins hands down over the BMW's not only for value, but for interior ergonomics and performance.
Now, one final question: Has Acura gotten the bugs out of the first year TL? My TSX was pretty much defect free and it's a blast to drive. From what I've read, I'm a bit concerned that about 12% of 04 TL owners have complained to the gov't about defects! That's a huge number. That's probably the only thing holding me back at this point. Of those of you who have purchased in the last 4 months or so, have you had any problems to be concerned with?
#6058 of 9045 Re: TL vs BMW525/530 [jonesok1 #6057]
Jun 25, 2004 (10:41 pm)
I purchased a TL 6-speed nav about 1 month ago, have a little over 1,500 miles and no bugs have surfaced yet. I'm a stickler for rattles and haven't heard any (some posters here mentioned rattles around sunroof, so I paid particular attention). I am a little dissapointed in the gas mileage in city / mixed driving (16-18mpg) but it's still in the break in period. And the engine is so smoth, I often find myself revving up to 5,000+ rpm before shifting. Highway mileage is good - 28+ mpg.
Friends of ours have had a TL automatic since November with 7,500 miles and no bugs for them, either.
Regarding the BMW's, I would tend to agree with your assessments. However, for what it's worth BMW was running some incentives on the 3-series and I could have picked up a 330i, sport package, sunroof, xenons, and a few other goodies for $1,200 under invoice - about $35,500. It's just too small for our family. If I went for the 5-series, it would have to be a 545i 6-speed at a $22k premium to the TL (through European Delivery). I made the mistake of driving one after the 530i 6-speed and there is no comparison. However, at around $55k through European Delivery, I felt the TL was a more prudent decision.
Where did you see/hear that 12% of TL owners are complaining? Did they specify about what? The previous TL had serious automatic transmission defects, are you sure it wasn't pre-2004 complaints?
#6059 of 9045 04 TL reliability
Jun 26, 2004 (7:52 am)
Wife has almost 17K Mi on 04 TL and no problems so far - only 2 irritations. Tiny rattle sound sometimes heard from center of dashboard. Also, Turanza tire mounted in front caused car to pull slightly to left. Dealer checked alignment which was OK and then moved front Turanzas to rear to "set" (?) the belts supposedly. Car then tracked fine. Used dedicated snows in winter months. Car tracked fine with snows. Will be rotating the offending tire back to front position soon.
Jun 26, 2004 (8:48 am)
There isn't much point in comparing other makes to these two on price.. They pretty much can't compete by that measure, and they never have. They have some attributes that other cars don't have, but if those don't have value to you.. or you just can't afford it, even if they do.. then they aren't the car for you.
For comparison (and probably a bad one), its like comparing a Rolex and a Seiko (no flames.. I said it was a bad one). It is pretty much impossible to justify the price difference.. but, if you want a Rolex, you have to pay for it. Where the comparison breaks down, is that a BMW can claim some practical superiorities over other makes (handling, road feel, exterior looks, etc), that may be more than just subjective.
#6061 of 9045 Re: TL vs BMW525/530 [jonesok1 #6057]
Jun 27, 2004 (2:47 am)
My TL was purchased in March and built in Feb. It is great in all regards except that the tires ride hard.
#6062 of 9045 03 type s vs 04 tl
Jun 27, 2004 (3:07 am)
I am considering trading in my 03 tl type-s for a 04 tl with Nav. Has anyone made this transition
from the previous generation of tl to the 04? If so are you happy with the change and what differences besides the obvious restyling?
#6063 of 9045 Re: TL vs BMW525/530 [armand #6061]
Jun 27, 2004 (10:07 am)
I mentioned that to an Acura dealer/sales the other day and of course this guy (who said himself raced b4) was saying it's a low profile performance tire that's more for sports sedan and that you'd get more road feel... blah blah, and when I compared it to ES (oh oh), he jumped on and said you can't compare to those family sedans and ES is too comfy for men, blah blah...... Bottom line: He sees nothing wrong with the harder ride on TL and the tires are what a sports sedan supposed to ride on, blah blah. He did admit the rear visibility is not very good on TL, to his creidt a bit.
#6064 of 9045 Re: TL vs BMW525/530 [igiban #6063]
Jun 27, 2004 (3:39 pm)
I also own a '98 A4 and just got rid of a '99 A6. Neither rode anywhere near as hard as the TL. I have read that some TL owners have gotten other tires of the same type (different manufacturer) and don't have as hard a ride.