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Acura TL, Sedan
Jun 20, 2004 (6:22 pm)
I did vote with my pocketbook when I paid $33.3k for a TL 6-speed w/ Nav and have no regrets. While I was waiting for my car to come in, my friendly Nissan/BMW dealer took in a silver/black 2003 AMG C32 on trade. They immediately called me and offered it to me for the almost too good to be true price of $36,000. The car was fully loaded, had 18,000 highway miles on it and was absolutely pristine. The original sticker (they had it in the window) listed the MSRP at over $56k. The original owner, a business executive, decided he needed something bigger and bought a 545i. I had considered the C32 back in late 2001, when I ended up getting an S2000 as a third car. There is no doubt that the acceleration of the C32 is well ahead of the TL and you would have to be a damn good driver to beat it with an M3 6-speed. But, as I had recalled from 2001, stomping on the gas and letting the highly competent AMG transmission do all the work gets boring very quickly. The "sport shift" auto-manual setting is a joke. Either you have a manual or you don't, and all this gadgetry to try to replicate one is BS in my book (sorry BMW, I'd apply that to the SMG as well).
The TL's 6-speed, while not quite the world class short throw 6-speed of the S2000, is about as good as it gets in a 5 passenger sedan, and in the same league as the 330i performance I drove (which is really only a 4 passenger car).
Hopefully, at least a few manufacturers like BMW and Acura will keep manual transmissions alive. I'd hate to think I might have to compromise with an AMG E55 someday!
#6045 of 9045 New T L Overview....
Jun 24, 2004 (6:59 am)
I now have about 1500 miles on my new TL and I have some obversations..The good.. The stereo, although another 50 watts of oomph, especially when playing a DVD-A would be appreciated. The car is very quick..The interior is nicely appointed. Getting the Bluetooth phone soon, anyone used the Moto. V600 or the Sony-Eric.637, and if yes how did they sync up? I'm on Cingular.
The bad.. No auto on head-lights, un-acceptable, my Taurus in the 80's had it, come on Honda, btw are they adjustable I seem to over-drive the low beams they seem to shoot too low. I sit very low and the front seat bottom could use another inch in length. The dash is too wide I hit my leg on it most times as I get in, and the memory seats are useless to me because I have to put it all the way back to save my right knee from the dash that juts out too far, and I hit the high door sill when getting out...The auto trans. auto shifts down hard when coming up to a stop light, and the car jerks in reverse as I back out of the garage, when the car is cold
Very poor out-ward visibility, is it me or does this car have HUGE blind spots?? Any reaction, or comments, there is more but this is a start
#6046 of 9045 Huge Blind Spots (msg 6045)
Jun 24, 2004 (7:44 am)
Wife and I noticed the visibility issue when we test drove the 04 TL last Oct. We then did some more test drives with the rear headrests removed and noticed improved visibility. The positives of the car far outwieghed this issue and she traded in her 01 TL on the 04. The visibility was reduced from the previous generation TLs in the interest of styling. If rear seat use is occasional, removal of the rear headrests will improve visibility.
It would be interesting if some agency such as the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety could develop test standards and quantitatively measure visibility (with only driver on-board) and provide data for comparison.
Wonder about truth in advertising. Car makers are always touting new models with new-and-improved info. Should they be required to state in advertising what they have diminished or degraded, especially when safety is involved? Realisticly, this is as always buyer-be-ware as in any contemplated purchase.
#6047 of 9045 Re: New T L Overview.... [dukehouston #6045]
Jun 24, 2004 (7:49 am)
I have just passed the 4000 mile mark on my TL and in general I couldn't be happier.
Duke...if you are the only driver of your TL I have an idea for you on the auto seat adjustment. Have the memory position linked to the key-fob adjusted to the position best suited for entering the car. Program the other memory location to your ideal driving comfort. When you open the car with the key-fob the seat will move so you can enter easily. Then switch to the other memory position after you get in. Vise versa on exit. If your wife drives the car also this idea will probably not work unless you like the seats in the same position. I share your complain about the high and wide door sill which makes entry and exit a little inconvenient.
#6048 of 9045 Re: New T L Overview.... [dukehouston #6045]
Jun 24, 2004 (8:03 am)
Good advice was given by rrorison regarding the seat memory situation. That may help your situation.
Just wanted to comment on the auto headlight situation. I've programmed my TL to turn off the headlights when I close the door upon exiting, and to turn on (if left on) once the car is unlocked. That essentially functions as an auto on/off. I personally don't mind turning the headlights on/off when necessary, but when driving around after dusk I usually just leave the switch in the on position and don't worry about it until the next day when I turn them back off for daytime driving.
#6049 of 9045 Duke / Bluetooth
Jun 24, 2004 (10:11 am)
I have the Motorola V600 and it works very well. I was steered away from the Sony Erickson model by ATT wireless.
The downside to the Bluettooth setup is that I can't retrieve my messages from my office voice mail, since I can't enter my access code. I've tried using the "send" function per the instruction booklet, but by the time it goes through, my voice mail has hung up. Anyone else have a solution??
As for your complaints regarding the transmission downshifting and entering reverse, it makes me glad I got the 6-speed. I still don't trust Honda/Acura on automatics, given the major problems thay have had over the past two+ years. I hope for your sake it's just an annoyance and not a forecast of future failure.
#6050 of 9045 Re: Huge Blind Spots (msg 6045) [kenm8 #6046]
Jun 24, 2004 (1:06 pm)
I agree the TL has huge blindspots. I've almost gotten into trouble a few times. I'm much more cognizant of turning my head to look before I change lanes. I have something that may help...
Set your side-view mirrors out much further than you would normally. This takes getting used to, but after a while you won't even notice it. The idea is that you want to see the next lane, not the side of your car. The way to set it is to put your face (cheek) up against the driver's window and move the mirror out until you just see the side of the car. For the right side, move your head to the centerline of the car and do the same thing.
This has helped me greatly. If you can get used to it, it may save an accident.
#6051 of 9045 Rear headrests
Jun 24, 2004 (4:13 pm)
Narrow rear window may be due to the sporty desgin, but headrests don't have to be. They should change the design so that rear headrests indent more into the seats itself like ES. Having both narrow rear window and high headrests really block rear view. I guess it's good thing now that they did not put a headrest on the rear middle.
Jun 24, 2004 (6:25 pm)
aaargh has it exactly correct. The mirrors should be adjusted so that the fields of the 3 mirrors just touch each other, NOT Overlap. I have been advising friends of this for several years, and everyone has thanked me for this. You can see about 40% MORE this way than with the old way of adjusting the mirrors to see down the side of the car.
Try it - You'll like it!
Jun 24, 2004 (8:19 pm)
I made a stupid move -- I traded in my 2004 TL for a 2005 Mercedes E320 CDI because I fell in love with the mileage per gallon figures.
The mercedes runs very nice -- a little smoother than the TL -- and of course the gas mileage is tremendous as it is a diesel and the fact that it is about 45 cents cheaper helps also.
However, I already miss the TL. There is no bluetooth in the MB and they want $1250 to install Sirius radio.
When I went to tint the car, I was told about the scratches due to the way the door sill is made.
To make a long story short, I am beside myself.
The moral of the story is you never appreciate what you have until it is gone.
I can guarantee that my next car will be the ACURA RL hybrid ( I hope in two or three years).
Thanks for letting me vent and enjoy your TL's