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Acura TL, Sedan
#3417 of 9045 My opinion of TL and Acura:
Oct 10, 2003 (6:43 am)
Acura will never be like BMW or Benz. They don't have that "prestige" factor. With that said everybody likes the 04 TL. I like the 02-03 styling. It was sporty looking. I like the TSX better than the 04 TL. Maybe when Acura refreshes the TL maybe It will have a cleaner look to it. I think the TL will be a better car than the car it proceeds though in terms of interior and driving feel. I drive a 02 CL I for one would not take it over a Benz or BMW because the value is so good. With the 04 the TL its kind of a value 5 Series now. At least the TL's exterior styling is digestable though unlike new BMW styling which I don't like because it looks very gimmicky to me and won't stand the test time. I haven't seen a new TL yet. Maybe the new TL will grow one me. For the buyers and current owners of the 04 TL I wish you good luck with your cars.
Finally Acura sales have been doing good. Just because the 96-98 TL was priced in the same price range as the 04 model isn't a bad thing. The 96-98 TL was a beautiful car inside and out. A little bland on the back end but the headlights made up for it. Had I had 33K in 1997 to burn on a car the TL would have been a perfect choice. The 02-03 TL styling was perfect in my book. A couple creases missing on the back end but still looks very classic to me.
Oct 10, 2003 (8:43 am)
"not nearly enough torque." - Muspod
Right. If traction control does not engage when nudging the car onto the road, it must be lacking torque.
"The designers must also have spent some time sitting in a G35, as it's about as bad with the cheap plastic chrome." - jonesok1
There are some chrome bits in the TL, but they've very minor details. I've got a sneaking suspicion that this remark actually references the aluminum trim (which is real). Care to clarify?
#3419 of 9045 YOU read my post correctly, muspod
Oct 10, 2003 (8:45 am)
I was only commenting on the 3 criteria stated -- competitive price, quality material, and features. Drivetrain is not one of those and I was not commenting on that. I know a hardcore sports car/sedan should have RWD, blah, blah, blah. Read before you shoot you mouth off.
And why do you keep assuming that TL owners think the TL is a "true sports sedan". varmint earlier had posted that the TL is a combination of luxury and sport, and I think that's how most TL buyers look at it.
Take talon95's advice. Do your homework, or else you'll be nothing but a troll.
#3420 of 9045 muspod and talon95
Oct 10, 2003 (10:00 am)
The staff at CR are all auto enthusiasts, most of whom have some sort of engineering background. I chat with them regularly at the website, and find them to extremely informed.
I'm not sure what a "true sports sedan" really is, because there are some "family sedans" (like the Mazda6, Altima 3.5, and V6 versions of the Accord) that offer performance on par with so called "sports sedans." But, the Acura FWD vehicles compete well with most "sports sedans."
Rear wheel drive definitely offers signficant handling advantages, but you can get excellent handling in a FWD'er as well. I don't think the Acura is going to give you the kind of balance and "sports sedan" experience of a BMW, but the Acura TL has a different mission. It is upscale vehicle with sporty performance and lots of features. Sort of a halfway point between the Lexus ES300 and the sportier sedans (e.g., BMW 3 and 5 series).
I agree that Acura doesn't offer the same prestige as MB, BMW, and Lexus, but who cares? I'm interested in performance, comfort, and looks, not prestige.
talon95 - that was a lucid and balanced take on CR. I always look at CR with a grain of salt, because they tend to overemphasize the practical aspects of a vehicle and they care little about style and fun. If we all listened to CR, we'd all be in Camrys and Accords. But, I also find their tests to be more balanced and even handed than enthusiast mags (which seem to gush about every non-American make - particularly vehicles from Honda, Toyota, and BMW).
Incidently, I find the road tests here at Edmunds to be a nice middle ground.
#3421 of 9045 The '04 TL Interior is Excellent
Oct 10, 2003 (10:11 am)
If the '04 TL interior is "cheap", than I have to see what other manufacturers interiors are like. I just got back from test driving the '04, while waiting for my '03 TL-S to be serviced. The quality of the interior is fabulous! Every piece I touched screamed quality, the leather seats, the leather on the arm rest, the dash material, all of the switches. There is just something special about the texture. Anyone who says otherwise is full of crap. It even smelled of quality. This car is only $33K! Nothing in that price range comes close. If you don't like the style, than that's one thing, but don't bash the quality.
I've driven the new Accord, and the new TL is way more car than the Accord. The Accord is a great car for what it is, but it is in a different league.
You have to listen to the demo DVD-A disk to really appreciate the sound system. Even the best sounding 2-channel system is lacking after listening to multi-channel music. There is more to music than highs and deep base. DVD-A adds another dimension to the sound.
#3422 of 9045 Infiniti serves as clue
Oct 10, 2003 (11:57 am)
Clue to what? Clue to coming out with a rear-wheel drive, 50-50 balanced car from Acura! G35 doesn't score all points I mentioned but at least it gives its best in driving dynamic s.
Acura must figure that rear drive and weight balance will at least cost 2-3K and if they can sell TL in the same price range, it scores a profit. Same old thinking and leave out car enthusiasts. It does that at a cost of losing out potential customers! Maybe I was wrong to look up Acura to satisfy my driving needs.
Oct 10, 2003 (1:38 pm)
Freespec - If your goal is all-out performance, then you should not be looking at Acura sedans. In fact, you shouldn't be looking at anything with four doors, but that's another story.
Acura takes FWD as far as it will go without killing the luxury and practical aspects of the vehicle. That's why many Honda/Acura cars like the CL-S, TSX, and Integra have been described by various enthusiast mags as, "the best FWD ever". Which is as much performance as the average driver will ever need on public roads.
If you want a performance oriented car, you will have to sacrifice something. With the G35, that sacrifice is interior quality. With the IS300, it's interior space. If you wont accept any compromises, then you had better be ready to fork over the dough and saddle up to a 5 Series.
#3424 of 9045 I will bet anything that
Oct 10, 2003 (1:39 pm)
the Acura TL is selling at a faster rate than the G35 at this time next year.
Your typical driver isn't all that focused on the issue of FWD vs. RWD. They just want an extremely comfortable upscale car with good performance.
#3425 of 9045 "better fork over the $$$$ for the 5 Series"
Oct 10, 2003 (3:07 pm)
And you also sacrifice some features, reliabilty (BMW hasn't been that great lately- just look at CR ratings for evidence of that) and also a lot of $$$$$$. I must say that I congratulate Honda/Acura for taking FWD as far as it'll go performance wise. At least they haven't tried to emulate Lexus or BMW. It's fair to say that Acura hs found it's niche- FWD performance/touring cars.
Infiniti has no niche yet except maybe Affordable Performance.
And Lexus: They're all messed up. One end you're selling sport-sedans (IS300) and on the other end you're trying to sell comfy cruisers. (ES330) They need a niche.
Oct 10, 2003 (3:37 pm)
Infiniti's niche would be throttle-induced right hand turns.