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Acura TL, Sedan
#1766 of 9045 Suggestion
Dec 12, 2002 (4:07 pm)
As a previous Acura Integra (1998) and Honda Civic (1996) and VW GTI (2000) and now a Protege5 (2002) I can give you my .02$.
I had ALOT of reliability issues with my GTI - dumped it after 15 months - so, wouldn't recommend the VW. I know many people have had good "luck" with theirs but I don't like to take a CHANCE that I'll get a "good" car or "bad" car.
The Civic, Integra, and P5 are all great! All I've had to do is reg. maintenance.
I would recommend looking at (at least driving) the new MAZDA6. The trunk is quite large. The driving experience is VERY 'sporty'. The interior is very nice -- have to see it in person.
I have test driven all 3 cars and they are all great. The 2 things I don't like about the Accord (as much as I try) are the exterior styling and the soft suspension (the coupes is much firmer). The TL-S was really nice but like you said, no head curtains and since you tend to keep your cars for quite a few years you should probably get this.
The 6. The only way I can describe it succinctly is to see inexpensive BMW. The FEEL is great. The sound is great. The center console area is really nice, as are the Optitron guages in the Sport package. Anyway - just giving you another option.
#1767 of 9045 Integra trade up
Dec 13, 2002 (8:59 pm)
I have just traded up from a 97 Integra, and looked at Passat, Accord, Camry and TL-S.
The TL-S won, since it has every feature you need as a std., and has the coolest headlights. The Accord is nice inside but has a strange exterior, I am not convinced that VW has a good dealer network, and the Camry is a little boring, and has no safety features as std (such as ABS).
The TL-S needs a telescoping steering wheel and side curtains, but is very solidly built, I would prefer to be hit in it than an Integra. Also Acura have the highest reliability ratings of the four.
Dec 13, 2002 (9:32 pm)
Congratulations! I too am looking for a new car. My options so far are: TL(non S), Accord, Camry, Lexus ES300, and Nissan Altima. The Lexus is the best but also the most expensive ($34k). I do worry some concerning the 5-speed auto trans in the the TL as some here have had major transmission troubles. I just cannot understand after building auto transmissions for decades as to why they cannot get them to work flawlessly. Was the TL's trans a concern for you?
Please keep us advised as the miles roll along on your TL as to your likes, troubles, mpg, etc.
Dec 14, 2002 (11:02 am)
I also considered the ES300 because I liked the quiet and the smoothe ride. However with the options I wanted it was way closer to 38k than 34k and over 40k with the tax. I can easily afford that but I considered it a gross rip-off and would have felt like a sucker paying it. Bought the tl for 28k and the spare 10k lets me drive it free for four years.
Dec 17, 2002 (10:33 am)
Drive a 6 cylinder Subaru Outback (LLBean or VDC) before you buy the Passat station wagon. I struggled between a 4 motion Passat and the LLBean back in Feb. 01 and eventually bought the LLBean. Have 34700 miles so far and zip problems. It has a near-luxury ride & feel like the other cars you are looking at AND AWD AND bullet-proof reliability. It's like a little tank, weighing in at 3750 lbs. with excellent crash stats (just no side curtains yet). Remember, this is the 6 cylinder - not the 4.
My wife talked me into buying it (never thought Subarus were very attractive) and now we fight over who gets it and who gets stuck with the Accord. Hard to explain how it grows on you (enough to probably buy the next generation in 2005).
#1771 of 9045 TL-S transmission
Dec 17, 2002 (6:59 pm)
I have no worries since mine is recent production, Honda will be watching the transmissions really closely right now.
My 2 cents is that the TL-S is much better to drive than the TL, the TL has much less road feel, and wallows more. I am glad my car advisor talked me into trying a TL-S. At the time it seemed that paying $2K for a few more hp, slightly stiffer shocks and holes in the leather was rather steep.
Dec 18, 2002 (5:42 am)
You are forgetting the biggest reason to go for the TL-S vs. the TL. (other than the 260hp of course).
It's the VSA. The regular traction control on the TL is a cheap traction control. The VSA on the TL-S combines a good traction system with a stability system as well.
Dec 18, 2002 (8:18 am)
The tl only "wallows" if you try to drive it like an M3 BMW. Remember,this is a family sedan that just happens to have way better than average performance. The majority of drivers, especially those over 40, are going to prefer the tl suspension over the tls.
#1774 of 9045 TL Purchase
Dec 19, 2002 (7:21 pm)
As a TL-p owner, an '02 bought in Nov '01, with the tranny gone at 19K miles, I must say I've been dissatisfied with Honda reliability and integrity. I drive 35K miles a year, so a 100K mile warranty is good for three years for me, not long enough. The tranny can go again, which has been the case for many owners, and I'll be stuck with a $5-6,000 repair bill.
I bought this car to get 200K miles out of it. It's my first "Honda", and bought the TL because of Honda's "sterling" reputation for longevity; obviously not my experience. Also brake rotors warped at 20K miles, and at 18K, the electronic ignition (terminology?) was faulty as well.
I've always been a Nissan guy, 150K on my Sentra, then 180K on my Altima, neither of which required any major repairs. Decided that I deserved a better car than Nissan could offer so got the TL. Well you know what they say, if it ain't broke..... should have bought the 02 Maxima.
It seems that people here believe that Honda has addressed the tranny problem...well that probably is not the case. All they've done is beef up the failing parts so that they'll last longer, (probably to 100K miles), there has been NO redesign, regardless of what they claim. And before Honda admitted that there was a higher than normal failure rate on these trannies, they treated owners like dirt, swearing on a bible that we drove the trannies into the ground, (but I know I drive like a grandpa).
They've also released a figure that 1.6% are failures, but as trannies are still continuing to fail, that number WILL increase. Ask anyone how long it takes for the dealer to order a tranny, weeks and weeks....there's a huge backlog because failures are still occuring.
It's obvious I've soured on the brand.
Lexus doesn't deserve the premium they charge, so I'm heading to Infiniti in 6 months or so when the G35 price softens a bit (I hope).
Dec 21, 2002 (4:49 am)
Does anyone know when the TL is due for its next complete overhaul and when the new model will be coming out? Also, I have a 2000 Tl now. It's my second one and I've also had a couple of Accords previously. I notice on all of them that sometimes the car runs as smooth as silk. The car is responsive and the acceleration good when you step on the gas pedal. At other times, it feels like the car is laboring. It feels like everything is dragging when you accelerate. The tranny shifts a little harder, and when you take your foot off the gas, the car starts to slow down by itself. It feels like you've applied the brakes, even though you haven't. As I said, all of my cars reated the same way from time-to-time. Is this just a characteristic of Honda products, or all cars, because of variations in temperature/humidity conditions, or the computer controls built in, or is there something wrong here?