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#3467 of 3629 Re: 40 MPG on my 2000XLS [bwia]
Mar 20, 2008 (3:35 am)
No, I have never achieved more than 33 mpg on my 2003 XLS, and then only at 75 mph on long stretches of Florida's Turnpike. Of course the warm air doesn't contribute to ideal combustion conditions. Most of my long journeys average 29 mph, and the computer and my direct calculations are usually within 1.5 mpg of each other.
The pulsation on braking is a very well-known feature of our previous-model Avalons. The disks warp easily, aided by regular overtorquing of the lug bolts by gorillas at the tire shop or dealership. Hand tightening the bolts will somewhat reduce the problem, but ultimately the only solution is to replace the (front) disks and pads. I did this with Brembo disks and Toyota Racing Development pads at 60K, and the braking is now completely normal (and quite sporty).
#3468 of 3629 Re: 40 MPG on my 2000XLS [mcclearyfl]
Mar 20, 2008 (8:25 am)
Anyone know if rotor warpage occurs primarily on the front which does most of the work? I would assume that to be the case. If so, maybe it's only necessary to replace the front. Or, are your mechanics only replacing ones that are actually warped? I suppose it depends on how many times they have been resurfaced also.
#3469 of 3629 Re: Brake rotor warpage
Mar 20, 2008 (1:06 pm)
I have only replaced the front rotors, and pulsation has gone, so I assume the rears are OK. Normally it is the fronts that warp in most models and brands.
I don't remember the source but I recall reading that resurfacing the Avalon disks was a waste of time, since the reduced thickness simply contributed to further warping. There is a significant labor charge anyway. The concept of using new better-quality disks seemed appropriate to me.
#3470 of 3629 Re: Brake rotor warpage [mcclearyfl]
Mar 20, 2008 (1:54 pm)
Be assured you made the right decision. The OE rotors were one of the weak spots in this five year run of Avalons. Enjoy your car... Have had one of each generation of Avalons... great cars...
#3471 of 3629 Re: 40 MPG on my 2000XLS [bwia]
Mar 20, 2008 (4:19 pm)
You asked about others experience. Just traded my 2000 XLS for a 2008 LTD. We already have had a 36mpg on interstate 62-65 mph trip. The 2000 never got that high on the same run usually 33-34mp this is from eastern Pa to western Indiana. Always better coming back than going west. The 2000 had 106000 miles miles with no problems other than the battery gave up in the last month. I had new plugs, timing belt water pump, replaced all struts around 75000 miles. The car was perfect in all respects, got about $12000.00 against the new one MRSP $36000.00 paid out $2000.00
#3472 of 3629 Re: Brake rotor warpage [fin]
Mar 27, 2008 (3:40 am)
Be assured you made the right decision. The OE rotors were one of the weak spots in this five year run of Avalons.
I have to agree with you on that. On Tuesday the dealer replaced the rotors and brake pads on all 4 wheels of my 2000XLS at a draw dropping price of $1,018 (after a 10% discount). This is by far the most expensive (or should I say taken to the cleaners) brake job I've experienced in my life.
The mechanic said there was significant pulsating on both front and rear wheels but the rotors were too warped to machine down. Seeing how slow it was at the dealership in these hard economic times the service manager was obviously trying to sell up to pay for those idle mechanics. Nonetheless, the car is driving fine again and it almost feels as new. Now only if I could stop them from pressuring me into doing a 60K mile service.
#3473 of 3629 Re: Brake rotor warpage [bwia]
Mar 27, 2008 (7:43 am)
Your experience is like my $380 charge for the part and labor on a rear wheel bearing. Toyota parts prices can be frightening, and I don't know why - there are many aftermarket OEM parts suppliers.
I paid $85 for two Brembo front disks; I can't remember the cost of the pads because I have had them for over two years, but let's say $50. Thus the aftermarket cost of parts for front and back approximates to $270. The difference between that figure and your $1018 is solely due to labor and the high cost of Toyota parts.
My 2003 Avalon is long out of warranty, so the need to patronize these high-price dealers has long since gone. Where possible I buy aftermarket parts and negotiate the labor charge with the dealer's service department. They used to be reluctant to do work in this manner but, as you say, a dollar is a dollar these days, and they are much more willing to go after your business. I could easily have avoided the heft wheel bearing charge, but I had not been aware of the problem prior to taking my noisy car to the dealer.
#3474 of 3629 Re: Brake rotor warpage [mcclearyfl]
Mar 27, 2008 (6:15 pm)
Consider your luck. My rear wheel bearing was $468.00. That will cost them a new car sale and all my past business and recommendations worth another ten cars! All for 15 minutes labor! On 66,000 miles.
I can remember wheel bearings packed for comparatively nothing! In fact, it was a comparatively simple do it yourself effort.
#3475 of 3629 P0420 code CEL on 2000 Avalon
Mar 28, 2008 (4:33 pm)
I had the check engine light come on in my 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS (85000 miles) and I took the car to autozone and my local mechanice both of whom diagnosed the error code as P0420 - Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold ( Bank # 1). My mechanic said this problem was common on avalons and attributed the reason to the catalytic converter failure. He said it would cost me $ 630 /- for parts + $ 100 /- for labour to replace. Which In my opinion is too high. Has anyone faced a similar issue before ? There is no effect on the performance or MPG of the car. What could've gone wrong and how much will it cost me to fix ? Is it really the Cat conv or the O2 sensor ? Incase its the cat, can I buy one from junkyard ? Also will it have any effect on the car in the long run ( besides failing the DMV Inspection) if I continue to drive without addressing this issue.
#3476 of 3629 Re: P0420 code CEL on 2000 Avalon [njavalonguy]
Mar 28, 2008 (5:07 pm)
I got the same problem and was able to fix it.
It is very easy to fix and just matter of $99+ tax (on $99).
Let me tell you exactly what needs to be done, based on the code P0420 you need O2 sensor before catalyst. I bought BOSCH made O2 sensor in autozone for $99.99 (part# 13355) link: http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,07029/initialAction,partProductDetail/initia- - lpartType,00117/initialR,APP230038/shopping/selectZip.htm
It is very easy to replace before cat than after cat, you can take help of autozone guys to show where it exactly located or you can search online, there are several websites guides how to replace it. Sorry, i am in a rush but thought to let you know so that you can easily fix over this weekend.
Again, this part is like plug n play installation. There are other universal models available where they price 30 to 40 dollars cheaper than bosch made but installation takes more time than Bosch. If price is not a constraint you can buy Bosch and install it yourself. You have to run your car for 2 miles before you change it but dont over run because it will over heat the part and difficult to replace it as it becomes too hot.
It will fail DMV inspection if you dont fix it. Also, DONOT take it to DMV inspection until you drive the car for 1000 miles and put fuel injector in fuel tank.
Hope this helps you and good luck.