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#2655 of 3629 Avalon oil and more....
Apr 27, 2004 (3:42 pm)
Several times I have mentioned that my 1999 XL had the oil changed by Toyota at intervals of about 7000 miles. It went 92k before trade-in and never burned a drop between changes. The stuff was a little dark, but not burned. No odor. Never used synthetic. Most driving was suburban or interstate. Why make the dealer rich(er)? Change at 3k with normal driving? Never.
Let's hope we see a 2005 Avalon in September. Or maybe a 2006 in January. But don't hope for that 270 hp rocket. It just doesn't seem to fit the typical Avalon buyer. Something less is fine with me, but with improved torque output, especially if this car gets heavier. And a 5 speed for good measure.
Toyota has a lot of potential here. They have the name, an all new model and interested people who will buy...if the product is right. Now, all we need are a few "advance" pictures... )
#2656 of 3629 Rule of 5's by abfisch/Disclaimer/IMO
Apr 29, 2004 (6:08 am)
This is for all of you out there, that are hemming and horring about whether or not to wait and buy a new Avalon in 2005 with the latest and greatest gizmos and 3.5L 270HP engine, lastest and greatest, yada yada yada.
"Never ever, never, buy a NEW car, its FIRST MODEL year!!!" Not even if it is a Toyota!!!
If you are needing a car, buy the 04, if not than wait, but don't buy for be the first guy on the block.
If you look in CR, and know the model year changes, you can see the first model year is almost always more problematic that the subsequent. For example, look at the reliability data for the first model year of the new Avalon, 2000, and compare it to successive model years.
This should stir up some of you.
"Feed the forum"
Apr 29, 2004 (6:27 am)
And my point is, by your ideology, wait until fall, because the 2005 may be the same as the 2004, except with upgrades, like side curtains, 5 speed auto, etc.
#2658 of 3629 Re: Rule of 5's by abfisch/Disclaimer/IMO [abfisch #2656]
Apr 29, 2004 (7:43 am)
I would probably agree with you and I usually avoid first year models.
However, I did have to buy a 1997 Camry XLE V6, which was the first year for that design. 80,000 miles later I can say it has been a flawless car. That might change tomorrow, but so far so good.
I don't know how much the guts of the car changed from 1996, so if not much did, then maybe that's why we've had no problems. But it was the first year of that generation of Camrys.
I might or might not consider the first year Avalon. We'll see.
Apr 29, 2004 (8:07 am)
There have been many instances where buying a first model year car has been a disaster. However, I bought a Matrix just 2 months after being introduced and we now have had it for 15 months and 19,000 miles with nothing wrong other than a little plastic button on one seat belt that broke (keeps the belt metal buckle from sliding down too far). I am not too happy with the gas mileage; especially after reading in that forum about others getting 10 mpg more than we are..
Also bought a 96 Mercedes (when 2 years old) and it was basically good until it hit around 120K miles and then lots of stuff wore out.. Maybe the first owner had lots done??
Normally I avoid first year models but I figured if anyone could get it right it would be Toyota and Mercedes. However, based on the last 5 years worth of new Mercedes models, I would never buy a first year MB again.. But Toyota seems to be a fairly reasonable bet.. I think I'd go for a new Avalon pretty soon after introduction.. Hmm, we'll see when it comes out..!!
#2660 of 3629 Rule of 5s
Apr 29, 2004 (3:53 pm)
My 2000 XLS is just fine thank you. I haven't had to replace suspension parts or oil sludge or anything else for that matter. The heater/AC controls are the worst I have had on any car but Toyota didn't fix that in model year 2, 3, and so on. The rule of 5 did not apply to the 2000 Avalon XLS.
#2661 of 3629 Our 2000 Avalon is fine now but had it's share of minor issues
Apr 29, 2004 (5:35 pm)
We had several rattles and a squeak in the front suspension going into our driveway. I was initially disappointed. However, Toyota was very responsive, attentive and thorough, replaced the suspension parts, wheel well shields and fixed the rattles.
The car now has 40K miles and a couple of raspy rattles - one in the driver's door somewhere and one in the dash. My wife is the main driver and could care less. She loves her XLS.
No sludge. Best car we've ever had. I think it's a great road car. I take it on a 330 mile (each way) trip to see my mother in a home. 28+ mpg, 65 mph door to door average speed. I crank up the stereo or listen to a book on tape/CD. Usually make one stop for gas and a burger. Arrive fresh and fit.
When we travel as a family, it's incredible how easily the four of us fit in with all of our stuff. The Avalon is accommodating without being 'big' and has a huge trunk.
The A/C heater controls are indeed abysmal.
#2662 of 3629 I knew I get you all going!!! Rule of 5's
Apr 30, 2004 (7:09 am)
Lots of passionate people out there and I know I stir the pot starting something up. With a big smile, I know some of you have bought first year model cars and have been very satisfied. Nevertheless, statistically speaking for CR results the 2000 year Avalon, did have more problems specifically with the suspension, fit and finish, and hardware problems per 1000 vehicles. In addition, for the post about Toyota and the Matrix, you can not resource CR as the Matrix is a fairly new model but just go on that Forum, and look at the earlier posts of all the rattles, squeaks, and storage doors that do not remain closed. Yes, they have fixed them, but those that bought first, had a greater chance of getting a vehicle with a problem. That is just a statistical fact no matter how loyal you are to any corporation.
When you all speak about the A\C system, are you talking about the one in the XLS (auto climate). Because, I don't have any trouble with mine (Manual) dual controls on the XL. Never like autoclimate in any car, and probably never will. They have not worked well in any car that I know about and there is just not enough interior volume in most cars for them to be effective. In addition, when CR tested an Avalon XLS June 03, I think they said too many buttons look the same on the dash. Can anyone of you correlate this?? There are fewer on the XL and I have no problem. MB in the S-class has a 4 zone climate control. Can you imagine the technical problems with that. You can have it. I'll take the manual controls.
"Feed the forum"
#2663 of 3629 Best tires
Apr 30, 2004 (3:57 pm)
I need new tires. I never really liked the ones that came on the car (I think they're michelin). I care mostly about long life, secondly about quietness and lastly about performance. Any recommendations? The only ones I've found that are 205/60/r16 are a few different michelins, a goodyear and a yokohama. Is there any wiggle room on the numbers or should I stick to those exact specs? Also, I live in Southern California so I don't need winter (or even rain) tires at all. Thanks.
#2664 of 3629 Tires (whoops forgot to mention my car's year)
Apr 30, 2004 (4:02 pm)
In the last post, I didn't mention this, not that it probably matters to this topic, but it's a 2000 XLS (which is why I assume I got the michelins with the car). I've gotten about 50k miles out of these tires which I guess is ok, but I'd be up for more if that's possible/affordable. I can't believe I'm about to spend $100 per tire. Last time I got tires they were less than $50...of course that was for a civic, but still.