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#1747 of 3457 Jason and Mike re: Shall I buy a 2002 Dodge Intrepid ES????
Jun 12, 2003 (1:58 pm)
Thank you, Jason and Mike, for your answers regarding my concerns about buying an Intrepid. Well.....we bought a 2002 ES, a light gold/champagne color (I am still not sure what color they really call it)....we (my husband and I) also bought the extended warranty that covers everything (the $1500.00 level) especially after being told that having to replace one little computer in the car would cost MORE than the warranty cost itself! So, we jumped for it. We now have the car covered 100% for 8years/80,000 miles (except for regular maintenance and wear and tear, of course)....we figured that if we are going to enjoy this beautiful car then we are going to have to drive it with a great peace of mind!
Just to let you know, after I posted my previous message, we called a Lemonbuster guy locally. He told us that he has all of his family in Camry's, so, for two days we shopped around for Camry's as well as Avalons (nice! but, small) and Nissan, as well as some of the SUV's out there. We even looked at a Taurus or two (ugh! and the seats are sooo uncomfy!)...the ONLY other vehicle we liked was the Toyota 4Runner...so, at the end of two days we decided that a full size car would fit our needs better right now, and, my husband kept saying, "Nothing we see even compares to the Intrepid!"...meaning that comfy-wise, design-wise, beauty-wise and get-up-and go-wise, none of the other vehicles even came close.
We are happy! What a gorgeous car! Easy to drive...sooo much room, inside and in the trunk!
Thanks again for your responses!
Jun 13, 2003 (6:25 am)
#1749 of 3457 AiMeE's Champagne Intrepid
Jun 15, 2003 (6:45 am)
Our '99 ES was called Champagne when we bought it in March '99. Have a great time with it. I still look back at it when leaving the parking lot and think "what a cool looking car" and with all the room inside, little does compare to the Intrepid.
Enjoy the 'Trep
Jun 15, 2003 (10:21 am)
Great to hear you got the trep. I hope you enjoy it . Feel free to share all your thoughts good or bad with us.
#1751 of 3457 Apasionato...
Jun 15, 2003 (11:04 am)
Which dealer did you buy the ES from and how many miles did it come with. Do you know if it was a previous rental, as nearly all 2002 Intrepids available at dealerships are?
Jun 20, 2003 (4:40 pm)
I am trying to decide between a 2002 Intrepid SE (2.7L)program car at about $14,000 with 8,000 miles or a new Camry LE (4 cyl) for $18,000.
I would appreciate your comments on (a) whether I am considering the right questions and (b) whether my opinions are right or wrong.
1. Long term reliability -- big advantage to Toyota.
2. Performance -- not much performance for either car, but presume it to be about equal.
3. Styling - totally subjective, I prefer Intrepid but Camry is OK.
4. Price - excellent value for Intrepid but $4,000 is not too much of a premium so modest advantage to Intrepid.
5. Wife will drive it most -- will put 20,000 miles per year and keep it for 150,000 (so reliability is very important and resale value is not a big concern as we will drive them "until they drop").
6. Kids will start to drive in 2 years, so blind spot (rear visibility) in Intrepid is a negative, as is its larger length (harder to judge where the end is).
Thanks for reading the long message. Appreciate your thoughts tonight as I hope to buy tomorrow (great anticipatory planning, eh?).
#1753 of 3457 Well, here's my thoughts...
Jun 21, 2003 (3:33 am)
1) reliability: I'd also give the nod to Toyota here, but in this day and age, not by much. Cars in general just don't break down that much anymore, as long as you take care of them. In the overall scheme of things, I'm sure a larger percentage of Intrepids have problems than do Camrys, but it's probably not enough to make the average driver notice. If nowadays, you were choosing between a much better than average car and a much worse than average car (according to Consumer Reports), you'd probably notice a difference, but I don't believe the Camry and Intrepid are at opposite ends of the spectrum like that.
2) Performance: if you regularly carry a lot of passengers around, I'd strongly suggest trying to get a few people in the car when you test drive, if possible. When I first test-drove my '00 Intrepid, it was just my uncle and me. Car seemed to perform fine. But the next day, I had 4 people in the car, and needed to merge onto a highway, and the thing couln't get out of its own way! I think that's a general problem with most small engines that have a fairly high amount of hp, but not much torque...they feel the strain of extra weight more than the old, torquey, battlecruisers of the 60's, 70's, and 80's that I was used to. The 4-cyl Camry only has 157 hp and 162 ft-lb of torque, so I'd imagine it would get strained pretty quickly with additional weight. With just one or two people on board though, I'd say both cars would handle about the same. The Intrepid has wider rims and more aggressive tires, so it should handle and corner better. It also has a lower stance, longer wheelbase, and (I think) a wider track, which should all contribute to a more stable, comfortable ride.
3) Styling: I agree here. I thought the Camry was butt-ugly, but it's growing on me. Truthfully though, it took awhile for the Intrepid/Concorde to grow on me, too! I didn't like 'em when they first came out.
4) Price: well, if the extra $4,000 doesn't strain your budget, then it's nothing to worry about. If you trade every few years, you'd easily make it up in better resale for the Camry. But driving them till they drop, you won't. In my case though, I couldn't afford another 50 cents right now!
5) I currently have about 81,000 miles on my '00, and never any major problems. Lessee, my power lock actuator went out (replaced under warranty at 35K miles), right power mirror went out (left it alone), door seals started shrinking up (but easy to re-adjust), and my thermostat housing needed to be replaced around 51K miles because of a small leak. Otherwise, just regular maintenance, brake pads, filters, tires, etc.
6) Blind spot: I agree completely here. I also have a 1979 New Yorker that's about a foot and a half longer than my Intrepid, but I can parallel park it easier than my Intrepid! I can see, within a few inches, of where that car ends though, so it's real easy to judge, and the stand-up hood ornament and fender-mounted signal indicators make it real easy to aim! With my 'Trep though, I can't see the hood or the decklid, and I'm 6'3"! I don't know how the Camry would be in this respect, either though. You might be able to see a bit more of the hood, but that high rump would probably be harder to see around than on the Intrepid! The Camry also has a thick C-pillar, but I haven't driven one yet, so I honestly don't know how their visibility is.
A few other odds and ends: Going back to the hauling/luggage thing, the Intrepid has a bigger trunk, and non-intrusive struts that hold the trunk open. The Camry has these huge "gooseneck" hinges that can crush items back there, and torsion bars. If you have long legs, you won't like the Camry. My Intrepid barely has enough room for me up front, so the Camry doesn't quite cut it. And with build quality/fit and finish, Toyota seems to have cut a few corners with the latest Camry. It's still a good car, but just no longer feels "head and shoulders" above the rest of the crowd, like they used to back in the day. I'm not sure, but I think the Camry LE still uses drum brakes on back, where the Intrepid is disk all 'round.
Anyway, good luck in whatever you decide! I don't think you can make a bad choice either way. At least, I don't think there's a "winner" or "loser" here...just whichever one you feels suits you the best.
Jun 21, 2003 (5:36 am)
Thanks a lot for your comments. Its much appreciated.
Jun 21, 2003 (6:18 pm)
My parents just bought a 2003 Camry LE for $17,388 plus NJ sales tax. The options were ABS for $300 and floor/trunk mats for about $185. The car is brand new with no miles. The car is a good choice, however, even with ABS the stopping distances (60 to 0 in 149 feet according to Consumer Reports) are long. My 2002 Intrepid with ABS stops better and has better braking confidence. The Camry's brakes, drum in rear, remind me of my 1989 TBird brakes. Actually, 14,000 for a 2002 Intrepid rental car is high. Last January I looked at a 2002 steel blue Intrepid with ABS and the D package in steel blue for 12,995. It had about 15,700 miles on it and was in mint condition. It was identical to the brand new one I bought for $16,900. The only reason I did not buy the program (rental) Trep was because it did not come with the powertrain warranty as did my new 2002 Trep. I liked the Accord better than the Camry because it had slightly shorter stopping distances (ABS is std. on every 2003 Accord) and the interior looked more modern, in my opinion. The cost was only about $300 to $500 more than the Camry. It had better handling and better brakes. But everyone has their favorites, and mine was the Intrepid. But the Trep does have major blind spots out the rear window. Sometimes when I am merging in the right lane, I literally keep my fingers crossed hoping I dont hit anyone. And according to reviews, the Camry 4 cylinder beats the Trep 2.7L in acceleration times. Its a marginal engine, at best, with questionable reliability over 100K miles. And rhe thermostat housing is a known problem with all 2.7 L Intrepids. But I still cant get used to Camry's styling, with time it may grow on me. If I were to buy the Camry, I would pick the SE model because it has better brakes (I believe 4 wheel discs). Plus the rear spoiler looks sharp.
#1756 of 3457 '98 ES Transmission problem
Jun 21, 2003 (7:47 pm)
Engine warning came on and transmission started slipping badly at same time today. Auto parts store diagnostic equipment shows Gear 1 and Gear 3 Ratios incorrect and Transmission system malfunction. Car only has 9500 miles on it and five year extended warranty ran out 4/9/03. Took car in on 3/12/03, while warranty still in effect for slipping transmission as well as problem on driver side power window not opening. Fixed window problem and re-programmed something on transmission. Drove new '95 Intrepid 47,000 miles before trading for this '98 in April,1998. Also purchased new '97 Intrepid in late August '97 and drove it most of the time, so that's why the '98 has only 9500 miles. We're both retired, which contributes to low miles. Sold the '97 at 56,000 miles and no major problems at 5-plus years in March, 2003 and purchased a new non-Chrysler car in March. Has anyone had transmission problems on 98 through 03 Intrepids? Can't understand why transmission would go with so few miles on it. I don't know if it will matter that we had the car in 3 months ago for transmission problems when we take the car to the dealer, if the car needs major work. I guess we'll just have to see what happens when we take it in. Any information or suggestions would be appreciated