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Re: My guess [rjlaero] by dhamilton
Feb 22, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: rjlaero (Feb 21, 2008 1:04 pm)

agreed
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Re: My guess [rjlaero] by markcincinnati
Feb 23, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: rjlaero (Feb 21, 2008 1:04 pm)

The 3.2 has been morphed into a strong engine with the addition of turbocharging; and, in that guise is called a 3.0T. Horsepower and torque take a huge leap and the big number everyone talks about -- horsepower -- climbs well above 300.
 
The engine, apparently, will power the B8 S4 -- initially. One (me) wonders why Audi would not IMMEDIATELY put this engine into the A6, if for no other reason than to catch up to and pass the BMW 535xi. Of course, here is the rub -- if the V6 3.0T comes in at over 330 HP (even though we love torque, we seem always to quote the HP #), the V8 -- which is much more costly -- will become a "why bother?" choice, for it will be only slightly more potent with respect to HP and it would likely be less quick from 0-100kph due to the very early torque offered by the V6 turbo.
 
An Audi A6 S-Line 3.0T would, unless the 4.2 V8 motor gets a similar upgrade, kill sales of the A6 S-Line 4.2. The Cadillac STS V6 DI makes the STS V8 seem darn near irrelevant and I would think the same situation would face Audi.
 
Marketing trumps engineering, apparently.
 
Green footnote: the artificially aspirated engines, like the 3.0T use less fuel and continue with each generation to enjoy reduced turbo lag and better and better mileage and pollution statistics.
 
Give us choices!
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Re: My guess [markcincinnati] by jeqq
Feb 23, 2008 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 23, 2008 6:19 am)

So they will phase out the 4.2 in the A6. Based upon my recent query of dealers in the NY - NJ area, they hardly ever sell 4.2's. They even discourage potential 4.2 buyers, offering them 3.2's instead. I don't know the 4.2 versus 3.2 sales numbers, maybe you have access to them.
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Re: My guess [jeqq] by kgary
Feb 23, 2008 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: jeqq (Feb 23, 2008 7:05 am)

I had sent an e-mail to Audi about a year ago regarding the rarity of the 4.2 in the US and was provided with 4.2 sales for MY 2005 and 2006.
   
In 2005 Audi sold approximately 18,000 A6s in the US, with 2,301 being 4.2s (12%)
 
In 2006 Audi sold approximately 16,500 A6s in the US, with 2,204 being 4.2s (13%)
 
In 2007 Audi sold approximately 12,000 A6s in the US, and I am guessing that about 1,500 were 4.2s.
 
Despite their being approximately 6,000 C6 4.2s in the US, I have only seen approximately 10 in the last three years, not including the one I park in my driveway.
 
I guess with 48 million new cars purchased in the US during those same three years, the 6,000 4.2s get lost in the jungle (.012%). I guess I have to look at 10,000 cars to find another C6 4.2. It is a shame that more people do not get to enjoy the pleasure of driving a 4.2.
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Re: My guess [kgary] by jeqq
Feb 23, 2008 (3:10 pm)
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Replying to: kgary (Feb 23, 2008 11:20 am)

I kind of thought those would be the numbers. The $5000 difference is one reason and the fact that Audi does not have many 4.2 engines in their inventory is the other. I lucked out when my lease was over and got a good deal on the 4.2. I admit, I paid more for the it but the pleasure was worth it for me. My car has less than 2,000 miles on it and the engine is still opening up. There were times I felt the need for more umph with my former 3.2 . With the 4.2 I'm pretty much well covered.
 
I think the next evolution/generation for the A6 will be two engines - a turbo diesel and a turbo petrol. The petrol being the quicker one - zero to sixty. When the A6 3.0 TDI arrives in North America, it will be a huge seller for Audi.
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Re: My guess [jeqq] by kgary
Feb 23, 2008 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: jeqq (Feb 23, 2008 3:10 pm)

My 4.2 continued to open up for quite some time. I notice a big difference around 10,00 miles and another smaller improvement around 20,000 miles.
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Re: My guess [jeqq] by markcincinnati
Feb 24, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: jeqq (Feb 23, 2008 7:05 am)

There is NO WAY the 4.2 or whatever the V8 or v10 is du jour, be phased out -- not gonna happen, and I did not mean to suggest that is would be. The avail of a V8 is critical to the IMAGE.
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Re: My guess [markcincinnati] by jeqq
Feb 25, 2008 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 24, 2008 6:22 pm)

I'm not so sure. Price wise a 3.0 turbo petrol / diesel will narrow the gap with the 4.2 so as you said above why would you bother to buy a 4.2? This also makes sense with the new A4 3.2 versus an A6 3.0 turbo. Although size does matter:)
 
Did Audi not go backwards with the phase out of the 2.7t and the introduction of the 3.2? I don't think you can always trust Audi to make a rational move but this time I think they will. BTW, Bmw also made a mistake with their underpowered 528xi.
 
The S6 will be the image IMHO.
 
Bottom line is I don't have a crystal ball - so it's all conjecture
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Re: My guess [jeqq] by liferules
Feb 26, 2008 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: jeqq (Feb 23, 2008 7:05 am)

They even discourage potential 4.2 buyers, offering them 3.2's instead.
 
I agree... when I went to look at the C6's when they 1st came out, they only had 3.2's available. My options were to buy a 3.2 at the time, or get on a list for a 4.2 and maybe get it in 6 months.... I would have taken a 4.2 if it were available (now I would not feel as strongly...).
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Re: My guess [jeqq] by markcincinnati
Feb 26, 2008 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: jeqq (Feb 25, 2008 10:28 am)

I agree, "why bother" -- well almost. The availability of them, however, even if they are rare, will continue at the risk of raising the ire of the automotive press and the IMAGE of the vehicle. The same is true of the Bimmer 5 series these days -- why bother with the 550 when the 535 "git's it done" for less money.
 
I have had three 4.2's -- and my current 3.2 in vitually every way, makes me wonder why I would spend the extra bucks on the gas and the acquisition price -- and the 3.2 with a little bit of turbo-pressure would all but render the 4.2 completely off my list. The A6 with the 3.0T V6 at 333HP and 300+ pound feet of torque -- ahhhh Bach! (M*A*S*H)
 
Yet, it is still about IMAGE and Audi will NOT let their cars be without the "availability" of a V8 or V10 or even W12 despite low demand.
 
I remain, "often wrong, never uncertain. . ."

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