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Re: back to the snow video [markcincinnati] by jeqq
Feb 17, 2008 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 17, 2008 6:47 am)

I was this close to leasing a 535xi. The negative side crash test results was one of my main deciding factor. The other was the deal I got on a 4.2 lease, less than the BMW. Plus after driving the 535 a few more times I started to feel I preferred the A6.
 
Have you drove an S5? I did and you'll be shocked to hear I did not like the feel of the manual transmission. I'm happier driving a Tip.
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A4?? Re: back to the snow video [markcincinnati] by rayainsw
Feb 18, 2008 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 17, 2008 6:47 am)

"new A4, which I hope to get"
 
When?
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Re: A4?? Re: back to the snow video [rayainsw] by kgary
Feb 18, 2008 (6:09 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Feb 18, 2008 4:25 am)

Mark has owned over 1,000 A6s over the last 4,000 years. Despite his efforts to break free, I am betting that he gets another A6. I watch him at all of the AA meetings (Audi Anonymous) and he always stands up and says my name is Mark and I have a problem with A6s. I don't think he can kick the habit so quickly. I am guessing that he will talk Germany into providing him with a 4.2 bi-turbo with a MT.
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My guess by dhamilton
Feb 20, 2008 (11:18 am)
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on the 2009 A4 is late this year [september,october] we'll see the 3.2 automatic.
 
My understanding is that we will not see a 3.2 manual A4 in the states. However, you can order an A5 3.2 manual.
 
The 2.0T That is going back to chain drive is getting a big torque boost and is much smother than the current belt driven 2.0T. [so I'm told]
 
The 3.2 in the A5 is a different beast than the current 3.2 in the A6/A4. With valve lift, it feels like a turbo, and pulls harder all the way to redline.
 
I don't think we'll see torque vectoring on the A4 for a few more years. I do think we'll see it on the next generation S4 that is going back to a 3.0 TT set up.
 
There are Audi reps meeting in my dealership right now, not 15 yards away, but they are giving no 411.
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Re: My guess [dhamilton] by rjlaero
Feb 21, 2008 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Feb 20, 2008 11:18 am)

The 3.2 V6 w/ 265hp and the new valvelift technology is a nice upgrade. It pulls very stong in the A5 and should work quite nice in the new 09 A4.
 
The A6 needs closer to 300hp in V6 form to keep up with the competition. 265hp is not bad in the 3.2 A6, but it still falls short a bit.
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Re: My guess [rjlaero] by dhamilton
Feb 22, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: rjlaero (Feb 21, 2008 1:04 pm)

agreed
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Re: My guess [rjlaero] by markcincinnati
Feb 23, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: rjlaero (Feb 21, 2008 1:04 pm)

The 3.2 has been morphed into a strong engine with the addition of turbocharging; and, in that guise is called a 3.0T. Horsepower and torque take a huge leap and the big number everyone talks about -- horsepower -- climbs well above 300.
 
The engine, apparently, will power the B8 S4 -- initially. One (me) wonders why Audi would not IMMEDIATELY put this engine into the A6, if for no other reason than to catch up to and pass the BMW 535xi. Of course, here is the rub -- if the V6 3.0T comes in at over 330 HP (even though we love torque, we seem always to quote the HP #), the V8 -- which is much more costly -- will become a "why bother?" choice, for it will be only slightly more potent with respect to HP and it would likely be less quick from 0-100kph due to the very early torque offered by the V6 turbo.
 
An Audi A6 S-Line 3.0T would, unless the 4.2 V8 motor gets a similar upgrade, kill sales of the A6 S-Line 4.2. The Cadillac STS V6 DI makes the STS V8 seem darn near irrelevant and I would think the same situation would face Audi.
 
Marketing trumps engineering, apparently.
 
Green footnote: the artificially aspirated engines, like the 3.0T use less fuel and continue with each generation to enjoy reduced turbo lag and better and better mileage and pollution statistics.
 
Give us choices!
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Re: My guess [markcincinnati] by jeqq
Feb 23, 2008 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 23, 2008 6:19 am)

So they will phase out the 4.2 in the A6. Based upon my recent query of dealers in the NY - NJ area, they hardly ever sell 4.2's. They even discourage potential 4.2 buyers, offering them 3.2's instead. I don't know the 4.2 versus 3.2 sales numbers, maybe you have access to them.
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Re: My guess [jeqq] by kgary
Feb 23, 2008 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: jeqq (Feb 23, 2008 7:05 am)

I had sent an e-mail to Audi about a year ago regarding the rarity of the 4.2 in the US and was provided with 4.2 sales for MY 2005 and 2006.
   
In 2005 Audi sold approximately 18,000 A6s in the US, with 2,301 being 4.2s (12%)
 
In 2006 Audi sold approximately 16,500 A6s in the US, with 2,204 being 4.2s (13%)
 
In 2007 Audi sold approximately 12,000 A6s in the US, and I am guessing that about 1,500 were 4.2s.
 
Despite their being approximately 6,000 C6 4.2s in the US, I have only seen approximately 10 in the last three years, not including the one I park in my driveway.
 
I guess with 48 million new cars purchased in the US during those same three years, the 6,000 4.2s get lost in the jungle (.012%). I guess I have to look at 10,000 cars to find another C6 4.2. It is a shame that more people do not get to enjoy the pleasure of driving a 4.2.
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Re: My guess [kgary] by jeqq
Feb 23, 2008 (3:10 pm)
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Replying to: kgary (Feb 23, 2008 11:20 am)

I kind of thought those would be the numbers. The $5000 difference is one reason and the fact that Audi does not have many 4.2 engines in their inventory is the other. I lucked out when my lease was over and got a good deal on the 4.2. I admit, I paid more for the it but the pleasure was worth it for me. My car has less than 2,000 miles on it and the engine is still opening up. There were times I felt the need for more umph with my former 3.2 . With the 4.2 I'm pretty much well covered.
 
I think the next evolution/generation for the A6 will be two engines - a turbo diesel and a turbo petrol. The petrol being the quicker one - zero to sixty. When the A6 3.0 TDI arrives in North America, it will be a huge seller for Audi.

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