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Re: back to the snow video [markcincinnati] by blckislandguy
Feb 16, 2008 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 15, 2008 3:30 pm)

Mark, thank you for your thoughtful posts. I'll defer to you on all your points but raise three issues:
 
1) Tires. I can easily imagine that FWD car with Blizzaks (or similar) would be far superior to an AWD with all season or summer and especially an optional "Sport Package" type 18" or 19" tire as say on a Jag XK or a Bimmer 5 series AWD
 
2) I'm not sure how much difference in final traction it really in AWD cars, if one car starts out sitting at 95%/5% Front to Rear power and the other is say, 45%/55% because the traction adjustment is very quick. I can say though that my wife's Volvo XC with 95/5 front to rear power scrubs on corners and is boring to drive.
My Cayenne while similar to a Toureg has much more "dry" power sent to the rear wheels.
 
3) Finally, I think if I ever buy a 911 it will be with AWD not because it would be any faster (it wouldn't be on dry pavement) but it the AWD would keep the front end hooked up on a rain/snow swept road. I also think that the ideal 911 daily driver for a northeastern guy wouldn't have big 19" boots to avoid hydroplanning.
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Re: back to the snow video [jeqq] by markcincinnati
Feb 17, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: jeqq (Feb 15, 2008 9:24 pm)

For all practical purposes, I cannot tell any difference in the drive as it relates to AWD between the X and quattro. The BMW is better balanced, and of course it tends to understeer later because of that.
 
My wife, after MONTHS of shopping and test driving (a lot of fun actually) re upped for another X3, a 2008 (which has mucho more power.) This time she went with the SAV package which omits the harsher sport suspension, but still gives the larger wheels and tires, Servotronic, etc.
 
I would not have any issue with either set up.
 
The quattro I currently drive, but not for long, is a 50 50 torque split version. I understand the new A4, which I hope to get, is 40 60 and also employes torque vectoring (side to side torque shifting capabilities.)
 
Again, I drive on the highways in and around Cincinnati -- I do not take my car on the track. For all such purposes, any of these AWD systems will work fine. Now, with respect to boring or not boring, etc -- there are other design characteristics that will affect the drive. Weight balance is one, suspension set up is another.
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Re: back to the snow video [markcincinnati] by ivan_99
Feb 17, 2008 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 17, 2008 6:47 am)

new A4, which I hope to get...
 
Not sure if 4 doors is a requirement, but I'd definitely take out an A5/S5. The A5 (S-Line) is surprisingly nimble and responsive; the S5 is addictive. As others have stated, the photos do not do it justice.
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Re: back to the snow video [markcincinnati] by jeqq
Feb 17, 2008 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 17, 2008 6:47 am)

I was this close to leasing a 535xi. The negative side crash test results was one of my main deciding factor. The other was the deal I got on a 4.2 lease, less than the BMW. Plus after driving the 535 a few more times I started to feel I preferred the A6.
 
Have you drove an S5? I did and you'll be shocked to hear I did not like the feel of the manual transmission. I'm happier driving a Tip.
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A4?? Re: back to the snow video [markcincinnati] by rayainsw
Feb 18, 2008 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 17, 2008 6:47 am)

"new A4, which I hope to get"
 
When?
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Re: A4?? Re: back to the snow video [rayainsw] by kgary
Feb 18, 2008 (6:09 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Feb 18, 2008 4:25 am)

Mark has owned over 1,000 A6s over the last 4,000 years. Despite his efforts to break free, I am betting that he gets another A6. I watch him at all of the AA meetings (Audi Anonymous) and he always stands up and says my name is Mark and I have a problem with A6s. I don't think he can kick the habit so quickly. I am guessing that he will talk Germany into providing him with a 4.2 bi-turbo with a MT.
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My guess by dhamilton
Feb 20, 2008 (11:18 am)
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on the 2009 A4 is late this year [september,october] we'll see the 3.2 automatic.
 
My understanding is that we will not see a 3.2 manual A4 in the states. However, you can order an A5 3.2 manual.
 
The 2.0T That is going back to chain drive is getting a big torque boost and is much smother than the current belt driven 2.0T. [so I'm told]
 
The 3.2 in the A5 is a different beast than the current 3.2 in the A6/A4. With valve lift, it feels like a turbo, and pulls harder all the way to redline.
 
I don't think we'll see torque vectoring on the A4 for a few more years. I do think we'll see it on the next generation S4 that is going back to a 3.0 TT set up.
 
There are Audi reps meeting in my dealership right now, not 15 yards away, but they are giving no 411.
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Re: My guess [dhamilton] by rjlaero
Feb 21, 2008 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Feb 20, 2008 11:18 am)

The 3.2 V6 w/ 265hp and the new valvelift technology is a nice upgrade. It pulls very stong in the A5 and should work quite nice in the new 09 A4.
 
The A6 needs closer to 300hp in V6 form to keep up with the competition. 265hp is not bad in the 3.2 A6, but it still falls short a bit.
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Re: My guess [rjlaero] by dhamilton
Feb 22, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: rjlaero (Feb 21, 2008 1:04 pm)

agreed
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Re: My guess [rjlaero] by markcincinnati
Feb 23, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: rjlaero (Feb 21, 2008 1:04 pm)

The 3.2 has been morphed into a strong engine with the addition of turbocharging; and, in that guise is called a 3.0T. Horsepower and torque take a huge leap and the big number everyone talks about -- horsepower -- climbs well above 300.
 
The engine, apparently, will power the B8 S4 -- initially. One (me) wonders why Audi would not IMMEDIATELY put this engine into the A6, if for no other reason than to catch up to and pass the BMW 535xi. Of course, here is the rub -- if the V6 3.0T comes in at over 330 HP (even though we love torque, we seem always to quote the HP #), the V8 -- which is much more costly -- will become a "why bother?" choice, for it will be only slightly more potent with respect to HP and it would likely be less quick from 0-100kph due to the very early torque offered by the V6 turbo.
 
An Audi A6 S-Line 3.0T would, unless the 4.2 V8 motor gets a similar upgrade, kill sales of the A6 S-Line 4.2. The Cadillac STS V6 DI makes the STS V8 seem darn near irrelevant and I would think the same situation would face Audi.
 
Marketing trumps engineering, apparently.
 
Green footnote: the artificially aspirated engines, like the 3.0T use less fuel and continue with each generation to enjoy reduced turbo lag and better and better mileage and pollution statistics.
 
Give us choices!

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