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Replying to: rjlaero (Sep 11, 2007 6:43 am) At $54,000 "nicely equipped," it is possible to get a very fine "sheen" (as in machine) with more than adequate power and change left over. Sure you can argue the Audi's interior is the best of the best and many agree with that. The car is safe, competent and an "all around good egg." It needed the Audi mild bi-turbo tune up that historically Audi has done about this time in the development of their car's, and during a given run's lifespan. The 3.2 needs to be 300HP and damn near that much torque AT THIS PRICE POINT. This does not detract from the goodness in the A6, I love mine and I'd have another one in a heartbeat. But the "value" in this [underhood] respect is not high at this point. More's the pity. Drive the CTS AWD DI, drive an Infiniti -- either G or M -- drive so many other cars from all over the world, factor in the price for performance and it seems clear that Audi could "fix this" with two little implellers, about 6 oil squirters, a more robust piston and sodium filled valves and a couple other engineering tweaks they could do in their sleep. Imagine an A6, SLine (now standard), sport suspension, some key option groups and a 300 HP, 295 pound feet (at 1800 RPM) V6 TFSI -- all for $54,000. The last gen A6 ended its life as an SLine with a 265HP turbo with, as I recall, 280 pound feet at sub 2K RPM's) and despite its old tech and funky 5 speed "trip"tronic transmission, was a heck of a lot of fun (more fun?) than the current "adequately powered" 3.2. No wonder the 535xi sells like "hot cakes." Audi doesn't seem as competitive in the horsepressure dept these days. 
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 11, 2007 10:39 am) 4 years with the same power just doesn't cut it. I honestly don't think Audi cares much about selling A6's in the US market much anymore.
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Replying to: rjlaero (Sep 11, 2007 2:40 pm) The next generation 2009 A4 is growing by a whopping 6.6 inches in the wheelbase to 110.90, up from 104.3. The current A6 is 111.90. A 1 inch bigger car in the wheelbase is not much difference to justify a lot of money. The A6 will still be a couple inches wide and a bigger car, but it'll be hard to spend 55k for a V6 3.2 A6 if you can get a larger A4 3.2 loaded for 8-9k less. We'll have to see how the new 2009 A4 pricing shakes out. I would love to see the LWB A6 here in the states like the asian markets get. |
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Replying to: rjlaero (Sep 12, 2007 11:55 am) Still only 265 HP, same torque as the current, but in a lighter car with RWD Biased TorSen and Torque Vectoring -- which is everything SH-AWD wanted to be. Better weight distribution and a current gen A6 cockpit in a car that WILL be narrower, but not much, and shorter overall and not much shorter in the WB. What's NOT to love about the new A4? It will have to have some distance between itself and the A6, unless the A6 is SERIOUSLY subvented, discounted or content is added. My eye is wandering back to the Infiniti family (again) and the new CTS AWD DI with all the toys (minus bluetooth -- DAMN!) is also very nice (more opinion after I test one.) If Audi makes me another deal, I will almost certainly stay a customer -- but you know, they just need to goose this car, SLine or no, it needs more grunt. On the other hand, I have been so pleased with mine in every other way, maybe I'll just keep it 'til the wheels turn square. 
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 12, 2007 1:32 pm) http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/frankfurt/112_2007_frankfurt_motor- - _show_part_1/2009_audi_a4.html
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 12, 2007 1:32 pm) |
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Replying to: rjlaero (Sep 13, 2007 6:35 am) |
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The new A4 (not in the US yet, I know), is about an inch and a half shorter in the wheelbase than the C6 A6. The new A4 has the C6's interior, plus it appears to have been upgraded somewhat -- the MMI the dash, the overall demeanor of the A4 seems to be "all that the A6 was, plus some." The most popular A6 is the 255HP 3.2 -- it is a great car, it is often accused of being underpowered. The A6 is notably nose heavy and its quattro system is NOT rear biased (for the record, I say that last fact is not really all that relevant in the real world, where a 50 50 split using a torsen system acts, anticipates and reacts in real time.) Anyway, the new longer, wider, upgraded A4 chassis has a 265HP 3.2, better balance and seems to be overall VERY VERY close to the A6 in all the good ways and different in the areas where the A6 has been criticized. If the A4 keeps its distance from the A6's MSRP, as it has historically, a well optioned 3.2 A4 quattro "sport" will be $6,000 to $8,000 less than a less capable A6 (at least until the new A6 comes out in 2 or 3 years.) The A6's already pack trailing sales would seem to be vulnerable to "friendly fire" from this newer, bigger, more potent and less expensive A4 -- wouldn't it? The new CTS, likewise, has made the STS much less attractive for many -- will the A4 do for the A6 the same as the CTS has done for the STS? Wouldn't a reaction to this, from Audi, be to subvent the 30 and 36 month leases to offset this cannibalization? Wouldn't it take a "bargain" on the A6 to keep the sales propped up at least to "well above Acura RL levels?" I read the previews, I have a 2005 A6 and I think, "the new A6 (due in a few years) will be awesome -- meantime, the new A4 is the new A6 for many." Now get me into an A6 for less than $650 per month, and my eye will not wander (nor my mind wonder) across the showroom floor to that newer, bigger, nicer, better A4.
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 17, 2007 4:33 am) I recently 'Lemoned' a Lexus and was in the market for a new car, and I had a short list: an A6 4.2, and a BMW 535i. The 2008 A6 was just out, and nobody had a 4.2 that I could test. I decided to test a 3.2 since everything about the car other than the engine was the same, and I liked it. Didn't love it... just liked it. I had been calling the salesman regularly, waiting for the 4.2 to get in (I'd get the usual 'it should be here any day' response). In other words, any salesman would tag me as 'very interested', and since I was paying cash, I'd imagine I'd also be tagged as 'able to purchase'. In the mean time, I did a few tests of the 535i and decided that it was the car for me. I ordered, and it should be arriving in NJ 10/22, and be in my eager hands a week later. No calls from the Audi salesman. I called just to check, and he is still working there. Add to that: my Dad's A8 warranty is up in February, and he will be looking for a new car and is leaning towards a new A8. My salesman knows this, and still hasn't even mailed the A8 brochure to me or my Dad as I asked, or given him a call. Amazing. No wonder their sales are lagging.
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Replying to: bdkinnh (Oct 17, 2007 7:35 am) I had been calling the salesman regularly, waiting for the 4.2 to get in (I'd get the usual 'it should be here any day' response). In other words, any salesman would tag me as 'very interested', and since I was paying cash, I'd imagine I'd also be tagged as 'able to purchase'. In the mean time, I did a few tests of the 535i and decided that it was the car for me. I ordered, and it should be arriving in NJ 10/22, and be in my eager hands a week later. The A6 is a great car. I think you'll love the 535 though. |
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