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#6714 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [cred]
Sep 11, 2007 (4:10 am)
The previous gen, of the A6, had a production run from 1997 through 2004 (8 years.) We are now into year 4 for the current A6.
I had hoped for a freshening (got it.) I had hoped for some increases in content/options/features (got that, too.) I assumed the 3.2 would be goosed, turbo charged, replaced (er, re-engineered) to get more HP and torque (apparently we don't get that -- yet) and I had even gone so far as to assume that the rear biased quattro would be announced to replace the 50 50 bias if for no other reason than marketing (missed that one too.)
This (current) A6 is the best one yet and until the new A4 comes out next year was/is a showcase for much of the "upcoming" Audi-think about cars (styling, features, engineering) when it came to market in the second half of 2004.
My take: it needs about 10% more power at the base (US) model level.
In terms of styling and other things that may induce you to buy or hold off, I would say the A6 is now "middle aged." The next new will be the A4, then perhaps the A8, then the A6 as it will, based on history, soldier along quite nicely (power notwithstanding) for another 4 years.
#6715 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [markcincinnati]
Sep 11, 2007 (6:43 am)
The 2009 A6 will get a small facelift. Mostly the headlights and small trim appointments from what I hear.
The 3.2 will stick around, and the 09 models will get a 10hp bump to 265 hp. The new A4 due next year and the upcoming A5 will have the shared 265hp 3.2 motor.
#6716 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [rjlaero]
Sep 11, 2007 (10:39 am)
Don't get me wrong -- the 3.2 engine is a very fine piece of engineering and is of "adequate" power.
At $54,000 "nicely equipped," it is possible to get a very fine "sheen" (as in machine) with more than adequate power and change left over. Sure you can argue the Audi's interior is the best of the best and many agree with that. The car is safe, competent and an "all around good egg."
It needed the Audi mild bi-turbo tune up that historically Audi has done about this time in the development of their car's, and during a given run's lifespan.
The 3.2 needs to be 300HP and damn near that much torque AT THIS PRICE POINT.
This does not detract from the goodness in the A6, I love mine and I'd have another one in a heartbeat. But the "value" in this [underhood] respect is not high at this point.
More's the pity.
Drive the CTS AWD DI, drive an Infiniti -- either G or M -- drive so many other cars from all over the world, factor in the price for performance and it seems clear that Audi could "fix this" with two little implellers, about 6 oil squirters, a more robust piston and sodium filled valves and a couple other engineering tweaks they could do in their sleep.
Imagine an A6, SLine (now standard), sport suspension, some key option groups and a 300 HP, 295 pound feet (at 1800 RPM) V6 TFSI -- all for $54,000.
The last gen A6 ended its life as an SLine with a 265HP turbo with, as I recall, 280 pound feet at sub 2K RPM's) and despite its old tech and funky 5 speed "trip"tronic transmission, was a heck of a lot of fun (more fun?) than the current "adequately powered" 3.2.
No wonder the 535xi sells like "hot cakes." Audi doesn't seem as competitive in the horsepressure dept these days.
#6717 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [markcincinnati]
Sep 11, 2007 (2:40 pm)
I agree. At 55 grand loaded, a 255hp 3.2 A6 just isn't enough power. You need 285-300hp to compete in this market place.
4 years with the same power just doesn't cut it. I honestly don't think Audi cares much about selling A6's in the US market much anymore.
#6718 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [rjlaero]
Sep 12, 2007 (11:55 am)
Audi will have to spruce up the A6 soon.
The next generation 2009 A4 is growing by a whopping 6.6 inches in the wheelbase to 110.90, up from 104.3. The current A6 is 111.90. A 1 inch bigger car in the wheelbase is not much difference to justify a lot of money. The A6 will still be a couple inches wide and a bigger car, but it'll be hard to spend 55k for a V6 3.2 A6 if you can get a larger A4 3.2 loaded for 8-9k less. We'll have to see how the new 2009 A4 pricing shakes out.
I would love to see the LWB A6 here in the states like the asian markets get.
#6719 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [rjlaero]
Sep 12, 2007 (1:32 pm)
All of the technical goodies will be in the NEW A4, not even in the new A5. Most of the A6's lux goodies, MOST, not all, will also be offered in the A4 coming in about 12 months.
Still only 265 HP, same torque as the current, but in a lighter car with RWD Biased TorSen and Torque Vectoring -- which is everything SH-AWD wanted to be.
Better weight distribution and a current gen A6 cockpit in a car that WILL be narrower, but not much, and shorter overall and not much shorter in the WB.
What's NOT to love about the new A4? It will have to have some distance between itself and the A6, unless the A6 is SERIOUSLY subvented, discounted or content is added.
My eye is wandering back to the Infiniti family (again) and the new CTS AWD DI with all the toys (minus bluetooth -- DAMN!) is also very nice (more opinion after I test one.)
If Audi makes me another deal, I will almost certainly stay a customer -- but you know, they just need to goose this car, SLine or no, it needs more grunt.
On the other hand, I have been so pleased with mine in every other way, maybe I'll just keep it 'til the wheels turn square.
#6721 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [markcincinnati]
Oct 13, 2007 (3:49 am)
The Audi quaterly magazine says a minor facelift for MY 09 and a new car for MY 2011. However, based on prior releases, the new A6 will be released the year after it is released in Europe. So the new A6 will hit the US in MY 2012.
#6722 of 6921 Re: Next A6 Generation/ Facelift? [rjlaero]
Oct 14, 2007 (12:13 pm)
Did you notice it is a diesel?
#6723 of 6921 A6 discounts looming large?
Oct 17, 2007 (4:33 am)
The new A4 (not in the US yet, I know), is about an inch and a half shorter in the wheelbase than the C6 A6. The new A4 has the C6's interior, plus it appears to have been upgraded somewhat -- the MMI the dash, the overall demeanor of the A4 seems to be "all that the A6 was, plus some."
The most popular A6 is the 255HP 3.2 -- it is a great car, it is often accused of being underpowered. The A6 is notably nose heavy and its quattro system is NOT rear biased (for the record, I say that last fact is not really all that relevant in the real world, where a 50 50 split using a torsen system acts, anticipates and reacts in real time.)
Anyway, the new longer, wider, upgraded A4 chassis has a 265HP 3.2, better balance and seems to be overall VERY VERY close to the A6 in all the good ways and different in the areas where the A6 has been criticized.
If the A4 keeps its distance from the A6's MSRP, as it has historically, a well optioned 3.2 A4 quattro "sport" will be $6,000 to $8,000 less than a less capable A6 (at least until the new A6 comes out in 2 or 3 years.)
The A6's already pack trailing sales would seem to be vulnerable to "friendly fire" from this newer, bigger, more potent and less expensive A4 -- wouldn't it?
The new CTS, likewise, has made the STS much less attractive for many -- will the A4 do for the A6 the same as the CTS has done for the STS?
Wouldn't a reaction to this, from Audi, be to subvent the 30 and 36 month leases to offset this cannibalization? Wouldn't it take a "bargain" on the A6 to keep the sales propped up at least to "well above Acura RL levels?"
I read the previews, I have a 2005 A6 and I think, "the new A6 (due in a few years) will be awesome -- meantime, the new A4 is the new A6 for many."
Now get me into an A6 for less than $650 per month, and my eye will not wander (nor my mind wonder) across the showroom floor to that newer, bigger, nicer, better A4.