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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy]
by kgary
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Jun 12, 2007 (2:19 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 11, 2007 6:59 pm)
Mark's discussion about a stick in an A6 was for the pre-2004 car.
When purchased new the 2005 Audi A6 4.2 cost a few thousand dollars more than the 2005 BMW 530. So it is not surprising that it costs more used. As far as depreciation, Edmunds claims that the Audi will depreciate $18,195 over 5 years, while the BMW will depreciate $16,824 over the same 5 years. On a percentage basis, the depreciation is about the same.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [kgary]
by blckislandguy
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Jun 12, 2007 (2:47 am)
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Replying to: kgary (Jun 12, 2007 2:19 am)
Thanks for clarifying the stick shift issue.
Conventionnal wisdom would have you believe that a used 5 Series ("The ultimate driving machine") is going to cost more than a Audi A6. Not so, according to Edmunds.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy]
by kgary
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Jun 12, 2007 (3:48 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 12, 2007 2:47 am)
If you were comparing a 545 to a 4.2 the BMW would cost more. But you are comparing a 530 to the 4.2 so the Audi costs more.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy]
by markcincinnati
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Jun 12, 2007 (3:49 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 11, 2007 6:59 pm)
The last A6 that could be had with a stick, here, was the C5, and not even the 2004 2.7T could be so ordered. As I recall, it was possible, POSSIBLE, to get an allroad 2.7T with the manual shifter then. Of course the allroad was discontinued since the "CUV" had not yet become as popular.
The allroad is due to come back. Probably won't happen.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [kgary]
by blckislandguy
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Jun 12, 2007 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: kgary (Jun 12, 2007 3:48 am)
Right, a 530i is a little more than a 3.2 Audi. The main point still stands: that Audis do hold their value roughly as well as a Bimmer. This is much to my surprise given their ongoing troubles, so-so dealer facilities, lack of being a "hot" brand among the 30 year olds, etc.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy]
by reality2
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Jun 13, 2007 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 12, 2007 7:27 pm)
What on-going troubles are you talking about? Last time anyone checked, Audi is on a tear in every global market and its profit is soaring. Audi's quality and reliability ratings are higher than that of the other German premium brands. As for dealers, I give you that some dealers are so and so, but it takes time to eliminate those legacy dealers still not performing. But overall, dealers have invested heavily in new facilities and customer service. As for not being "hot", again I suggesst you check carefully before making that statement. Audi is one of the hottest brands among younger affluent buyers as bore out by various surveys. Let's stay away from unsubtantiated opinions and stick to reality before making those claims.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [reality2]
by markcincinnati
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Jun 13, 2007 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: reality2 (Jun 13, 2007 1:41 pm)
Thank you.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [reality2]
by cdnpinhead
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Jun 14, 2007 (1:58 am)
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Replying to: reality2 (Jun 13, 2007 1:41 pm)
Sadly, old perceptions die hard, even in the face of facts.
Hyundai is another example. They're trying to compete with high-end cars, unsuccessfully so far.
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Audi. . .
by markcincinnati
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Jun 14, 2007 (11:54 am)
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. . .elsewhere (Europe) does well. Often Audi outsells BMW in the homeland.
The German cars, depending on who you talk to, all have less than steller reps -- except for their reputations reported "from behind the wheel."
My wife has a BMW, her second, I have an Audi, "our" 28th, we have also had 2 Passats and a Jetta, too.
Under a variety of circumstances, I would have no problem owning (or leasing) cars from Audi, BMW and VW -- and probably no issues with Mercedes either.
On the other hand, I "almost" leased an Infiniti M35x last time, and I do believe I would have also enjoyed that experience.
Sometimes I think people are trying to find reasons to talk themselves INTO or OUT OF certain decisions.
I could repeat, #29, as an Audi, next time. I wouldn't hesitate.
I will not pay more for an A6 Audi (substantially more) than a BMW 535xi or an Infiniti M35x. I would almost certainly be delighted with ANY of them.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [cdnpinhead]
by reality2
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Jun 14, 2007 (7:09 pm)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jun 14, 2007 1:58 am)
True, old perceptions die hard, but the facts are somewhat overwhelming on Audi's presence as a high quality and prestige premium brand globally. Hell, they outsell BMW in two of the world's largest markets - Europe and China. You'd have to be in total denial or a BMW executive (who are also in denial considering some of the moronic statements about Audi they have made lately showing absolutely no class), or just plain ignorant. Also, Hyundai cannot be compared to Audi with over 100 years of premium and motor sport heritage. Hyundai is not even in the same league as Audi, yet alone planet. Audi has always been a premium lux brand.
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