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Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? by blckislandguy
Jun 11, 2007 (6:59 pm)
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I must be reading this wrong. I stopped in at an Audi dealer over the weekend and liked the looks of an A6. I thought "Gee, given their horrible resale caused by the unintended acceleration/defective coil pack experiences, I should be able to score a current body style A6 with quatro for a lot less than a Bimmer." I fired up my computer and ran some rough numbers for the MY 05. Edmunds has the private party value of an A6 quatro with the 4.2 V8 at 35K and with the 3.2 six it is 28K. Lo and behold, the Bimmer 530 is less money at 31K and the anemic Bimmer 525 still lower at 29K.
 
I thought Audis had horrible resale and you could pick up a good one on the cheap? I never expected that they were more money than a Bimmer. What gives?
 
Incidentally, I asked the sales guy six times about Mark from Cincinnat's claim that you could buy an A6 with a stick and each time he said no.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy] by kgary
Jun 12, 2007 (2:19 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 11, 2007 6:59 pm)

Mark's discussion about a stick in an A6 was for the pre-2004 car.
 
When purchased new the 2005 Audi A6 4.2 cost a few thousand dollars more than the 2005 BMW 530. So it is not surprising that it costs more used. As far as depreciation, Edmunds claims that the Audi will depreciate $18,195 over 5 years, while the BMW will depreciate $16,824 over the same 5 years. On a percentage basis, the depreciation is about the same.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [kgary] by blckislandguy
Jun 12, 2007 (2:47 am)
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Replying to: kgary (Jun 12, 2007 2:19 am)

Thanks for clarifying the stick shift issue.
 
Conventionnal wisdom would have you believe that a used 5 Series ("The ultimate driving machine") is going to cost more than a Audi A6. Not so, according to Edmunds.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy] by kgary
Jun 12, 2007 (3:48 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 12, 2007 2:47 am)

If you were comparing a 545 to a 4.2 the BMW would cost more. But you are comparing a 530 to the 4.2 so the Audi costs more.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy] by markcincinnati
Jun 12, 2007 (3:49 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 11, 2007 6:59 pm)

The last A6 that could be had with a stick, here, was the C5, and not even the 2004 2.7T could be so ordered. As I recall, it was possible, POSSIBLE, to get an allroad 2.7T with the manual shifter then. Of course the allroad was discontinued since the "CUV" had not yet become as popular.
 
The allroad is due to come back. Probably won't happen.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [kgary] by blckislandguy
Jun 12, 2007 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: kgary (Jun 12, 2007 3:48 am)

Right, a 530i is a little more than a 3.2 Audi. The main point still stands: that Audis do hold their value roughly as well as a Bimmer. This is much to my surprise given their ongoing troubles, so-so dealer facilities, lack of being a "hot" brand among the 30 year olds, etc.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [blckislandguy] by reality2
Jun 13, 2007 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 12, 2007 7:27 pm)

What on-going troubles are you talking about? Last time anyone checked, Audi is on a tear in every global market and its profit is soaring. Audi's quality and reliability ratings are higher than that of the other German premium brands. As for dealers, I give you that some dealers are so and so, but it takes time to eliminate those legacy dealers still not performing. But overall, dealers have invested heavily in new facilities and customer service. As for not being "hot", again I suggesst you check carefully before making that statement. Audi is one of the hottest brands among younger affluent buyers as bore out by various surveys. Let's stay away from unsubtantiated opinions and stick to reality before making those claims.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [reality2] by markcincinnati
Jun 13, 2007 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: reality2 (Jun 13, 2007 1:41 pm)

Thank you.
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Re: Use Bimmer 5 Series Cost Less than A6's? [reality2] by cdnpinhead
Jun 14, 2007 (1:58 am)
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Replying to: reality2 (Jun 13, 2007 1:41 pm)

Sadly, old perceptions die hard, even in the face of facts.
 
Hyundai is another example. They're trying to compete with high-end cars, unsuccessfully so far.
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Audi. . . by markcincinnati
Jun 14, 2007 (11:54 am)
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. . .elsewhere (Europe) does well. Often Audi outsells BMW in the homeland.
 
The German cars, depending on who you talk to, all have less than steller reps -- except for their reputations reported "from behind the wheel."
 
My wife has a BMW, her second, I have an Audi, "our" 28th, we have also had 2 Passats and a Jetta, too.
 
Under a variety of circumstances, I would have no problem owning (or leasing) cars from Audi, BMW and VW -- and probably no issues with Mercedes either.
 
On the other hand, I "almost" leased an Infiniti M35x last time, and I do believe I would have also enjoyed that experience.
 
Sometimes I think people are trying to find reasons to talk themselves INTO or OUT OF certain decisions.
 
I could repeat, #29, as an Audi, next time. I wouldn't hesitate.
 
I will not pay more for an A6 Audi (substantially more) than a BMW 535xi or an Infiniti M35x. I would almost certainly be delighted with ANY of them.

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