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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 22, 2007 4:54 am) I got a 530i back in feb. that I ordered in December. Monaco blue with Auburn Interior. Picked it up in South Carolina and got all the goodies that come with it. Very impressive factory tour! Why did I defect? 1. Manual Transmission. 2. Lease incentive. I am paying $630 per mo on a 54k car with no money down. Just first mos. payment and some BS fees. I still see there are not lease programs on the A6. I guess sales are good enough that they don't need it. I miss the uniqueness of my AllRoad but very much am enjoying my 530i. I see why BMW owners are very loyal. The dealer network and follow up programs from BMW are nothing short of incredible. Audi on the other hand never even contacted me about a replacement or offered even a single incentive for me to stay. No early out, no special rate, no contact except how to turn the lease car back in! Would that have been the deal breaker? Naw, I might have found way to negotiate. I did tell the dealer that I was going to wait 5 months before I got my next car and they should see if they can work something. It seemed they were always AT LEAST $100 per month more for similar priced cars than what I ended up doing on my BMW. I need to feel reasonable about my purchase and I could not do this with Audi. While BMW owners look down on Audi's I tend to feel both cars offer many positive attributes. I think the Audi Interior and exterior styling is perhaps better but the Bangle look has grown on me over the years and I like it. The fit and finish on both cars are excellent. I really do think the inline six is a better engine than the Audi and its nice to shift the transmission myself to control it. Audi can woo me back providing the local dealer smartens up and perhaps come close to what BMW financial is doing. Mark, Im glad at least you did not get that Infiniti. Looking at them now they really did not hold up well style wise. They look like Impalas!
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Replying to: bargamon (May 19, 2007 10:13 am) |
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Replying to: bargamon (May 19, 2007 10:13 am) But the problem with BMW customers is that they expect every other car maufacturer to do the same thing. You only have to give stuff away if you're cars aren't moving. I don't know of many $54,000 cars that you can lease for just over 600/mo with no money down.
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Replying to: rjlaero (May 26, 2007 9:46 am) After 20 years of MB it was a big change and I am glad I did it. As for subsidizing. When MB and BMW subsidize their cars all they do is "accelerate" the sale of that car from next month to this month and then next month they need to figure out how are they going to keep the ball rolling. Yes, Audi let's the marketplace determine Depreciation and the Company does what it can to help with the money factory which is a small piece of the lease pie. Just think, $7000 in rebates and low APR this weekend on Ford and Chevy trucks in addition to what the dealer discounts.....now that is what I call subsidizing vehicles that don't move. Elliot |
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. . .my A6 has virtually every possible option offered at the time, is a V6 and other than one set of new tires and the initial issues with the "push-button/smart-key," the car has been "flawless" as far as I am concerned. Now with about 13K miles and 10 months left on the lease (and a wife in a similar situation with her BMW 2005 X3 -- minus one month), I am weary of test driving, but excited about "the next." So, I wander into my Audi dealer (one of two) here in River City and look at the inventory of 2007's and the ONE 2006 S-Line (with all options) still sitting there (Misano Red, methinks is the reason they can't "give it away.") I also have a maintenance interval and they give me a 2007 A6 with premium pack and 1,500 miles on the OD. I get into the 2007 on the showroom floor, I use the loaner for a day and (if I'm lyin' I'm dyin') there is virtually no difference. The backup camera is nice -- I would like to have it -- but otherwise there is a digital speed readout in the center of the dash and, um, gee, nuttin' else. The 2007 feels neither tighter, nor quieter, or more powerful, or smoother or, or -- AND it still is 255HP. And, it is a couple thousand more than mine at list. I am hardly the kind of guy who leaps to saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it," and Audi did have a huge leap forward in 2005 when the C6 replaced the C5 -- but, gee; I have a 2005 car that apparently will be little changed (S-Line exterior trim and wheels being about all the changes that have been announced) when the 2008 start arriving in a few weeks from now. What's up with this approach? BMW's 5 (at what appears to be the then price point between the 530xi and the A6 3.2 quattro) is now 300HP; Audi seems to be promising +10HP and no increase in torque for the cars with the 3.2 V6. Hmmm. Why would Audi not be "doing something" to push the A6 forward at a bit speedier pace? Some [most?] of the cars in the LPS crowd seem keen to improve (even if it is "only" a mid-career refresh, such as the STS) their offering's power, content, features, etc. Audi seems to me to be "holding back" -- at least in the power department. Truth be told, the A6's features, functions, content, build quality and -- as usual -- interiors, are contemporary and in the case of the interiors, class leading. The car, for 2008, remains "nose heavy" and when equipped with the clever suspension bits and electronic stuff (that the Japanese had in 2005), well, the price gets just south of $60K. It is in little need of new technology to remain competitive; yet, it could benefit from the new Audi architecture that moves the engine back (thus improving F/R weight distribution.) Perhaps: a DSG or 7 speed transmission or diesel or even the Audi bi-turbo treatment, the B&O sound system option, and/or a heads-up display -- SOMETHING to recognize that the market has evolved since they started building this generation in 2004. I look at the new cars (that one can buy TODAY, let alone 10 months from now) that appear to be competing for my next purchase and my realistic choices ALMOST include keeping my car a bit longer, looking again at Infiniti, perhaps even Cadillac's (CTS & STS) and the Audi A5. The 2005 A6 seems "as if" it is as current and capable as the latest and greatest A6 apart from the SLine styling bits. Maybe if it ain't broke. . . Somehow, most of these "concerns," seems to me, would vanish with about 20% more HP and torque. Couple the sub-venting BMW is still, apparently, willing to continue and it makes me wonder who would lease (or maybe even buy) an A6 3.2 quattro with Premium, S-Line, Technology and Convenience when compared with a BMW 535xi which certainly seems it would be much more of a "russsshhh" to pilot. Maybe I could learn to tolerate i-Drive. Or maybe, just maybe, a 300HP AWD Cadillac CTS with sport and all the toys (and all for 5 figures less) could be a contender. The A6 needs more than exterior S-Line trim as its "main update" for 2008. I remain, "often wrong, but never uncertain. . . ." 
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 27, 2007 10:52 am) I can't believe they don't have something to improve upon in the current V6 C6... |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 27, 2007 10:52 am) I get into the 2007 on the showroom floor, I use the loaner for a day and (if I'm lyin' I'm dyin') there is virtually no difference. The backup camera is nice -- I would like to have it -- but otherwise there is a digital speed readout in the center of the dash and, um, gee, nuttin' else. liferules, Replying to: markcincinnati (May 27, 2007 11:52 am) I have to agree with you, Mark. I keep looking for the A6 to keep pace with the advances of its competitors, but it has virtually remained identical, sans a few electronic gadgets, from the initial ones in '05. I agree with Mark and Liferules. While several 07 owners claim their cars are big improvements over the 05s, I don't see it. I have driven 07s as loaners and they feel the same as my 05. If a friend was looking to buy an A6 I would tell him to buy an 05 over and an 07 and save his money.
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Replying to: kgary (May 28, 2007 2:59 am) The loaners, typically, are 3.2's w/a "few" options, Premium, Sunroof, etc. They are not typically S-Line or V8's. So, one gets the use of an A6 from time to time that is "brand new." I kept my last loaner about 26 hours, and other than the digital readout of speed, there was NOTHING that indicated the loaner was a 2007 (other than the MSRP sticker in the glove box.) I don't mean this is a bad thing. It just seems that there is NO difference (other than the aforementioned back up camera on cars equipped with the technology pkg.) Check that, one other thing, the POWER ARTICULATED steering column adjustment can be had, now, on a 3.2, now, but not in 2005 (on one such as mine.) Even the wheels are the same. I'll wager a detailing of my Cambridge Green Pearl, Amaretto Premium leather equipped A6 would "fool its own mother" into thinking it was a 2007 vintage. I don't need no stinking cosmetic changes -- but some would not be unwelcome. What I would expect is some, or even ONE, substantive advance: the backup camera and digital speedo and power steering column adjuster don't qualify. When the power AND efficiency keeps rising (except for the Audi 3.2's) across the LPS landscape, it just makes me scratch my slowly balding head and say "what's up with this?" Maybe the 2008's will be really heavily subvented and/or discounted to compensate. 
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If you can handle MMI, you can surely conquer iDrive. I prefer iDrive to MMI cuz all controls are RIGHT THERE with the dial vs the 4 external buttons to press around the MMI knob (not to mention the buttons for mode - Nav, AM/FM/SAT, CD, INFO... The new 5 series iDrive has an extra button or so external to the knob so you can program them for your frequently used functions. Now if my friend could get his quattro grinding in the front end taken care of, he'd be a VERY happy camper. Recap, sharp turns, usually while going VERY slow, like backing out of a parking slot, front end makes an EXTREMELY loud and very noticable vibration as the steering wheel approaches steering wheel lock and much more so when at actual lock. I'm suspecting the differential or hub assemblies as a possible catch point as it does NOT do it when the vehicle is sitting still - otherwise I would have recommended he look at the steering pump. -Paul |
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| Hey I noticed on the EPA website that the 01 A6 requires premium gas, where I live gas is really pricey and there is a .20 cent differential between regular and +92 octane fuel. I know on certain cars the auto companies have premium to bump up performance #'s and the cars can run fine on regular just with decreased performance I don't mind the dip in horsepower but would this damage my engine? I heard that running regular in a premium can cause piston problems is this common with the 2001 2.8 Quattro A6 thanks | |
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