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Re: A6 3.2 quattro or not? [liferules] by brian124
Mar 13, 2007 (10:53 am)
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Replying to: liferules (Mar 13, 2007 10:26 am)

For argument's sake, what do you mean by "great safety feature"? On wet roads, how is a Quattro going to keep you safer? Accelerating faster is not a safety feature. I have a A6Q and a SUV with 4 Wheel Drive. I admit, I often put my SUV in 4x4 in the summer on wet roads, but that is for acceleration only. Yes, in the snow, 4X4 can help you stay on the road but on a wet road?? I just don't get it. Are you really driving your car that hard on wet roads that you need front and rear wheel drive to pull your car back on the road as you slide? Keep in mind, we are comparing an Audi with Quattro against a FWD Audi with ESP (Stability Control) not an old sports car with rear wheel drive.
 
I'm just trying to be objective. I will conceed, that Quattro is more fun.
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Re: A6 3.2 quattro or not? [brian124] by allagaroo
Mar 13, 2007 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: brian124 (Mar 13, 2007 10:53 am)

I don't believe a car has to be driven near its limits to benefit from Quattro. It gives you a very secure feeling in the wet that once I had I will not get a car without AWD again. I used to be concerned when I had my BMW 5 series( before X) and Q45 when it would rain and forget snow. Even in the dry it eliminates torque steer and to me out handles FWD. I'd get it wherever I would live.
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Re: A6 3.2 quattro or not? [allagaroo] by brian124
Mar 13, 2007 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: allagaroo (Mar 13, 2007 11:10 am)

"I used to be concerned when I had my BMW 5 series..."
 
Yes, and the sun is hot.
 
BMWs are some of the worst cars to drive on slick roads of any kind. I used to have a BMW and the dealer himself told us to park it when the roads got bad. Again, we are not comparing rear wheel drive BMWs to Audis.
 
I give up.
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Re: A6 3.2 quattro or not? [brian124] by liferules
Mar 13, 2007 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: brian124 (Mar 13, 2007 10:53 am)

Don't confuse 4x4 with Quattro. Quattro has special gearing to prevent tires from spinning out, instead using others to keep traction on the road. 4x4 just has all 4 wheels moving, regardless of whether one is spinning or not. Its not the accelerating faster aspect, its the fact that the car will actually move forward in a straight line. What is different between snow and rain in terms of wheels losing traction on a road? To me it is very similar, especially when rain gets onto an oil slicked road.
 
I don't believe there is a driver out there that hasn't lost traction when driving in the rain or on wet roads, whatever speed they are driving. ESP will prevent wheels from spinning purposelessly, but if only FWD, you may be sitting still, whereas, Quattro will allow the car to move forward and maintain the speed you were moving, rather than dangerously slowing down, potentially getting rear-ended.
 
And, no. I don't drive "hard". I drive the speed limit (give or take 5-8 mph), but still feel the difference on wet roads. I disagree with your assertion that one needs to drive the car "to the max" to achieve benefits of Quattro. It kicks in at normal driving on less than optimal roads all the time, maybe you just don't notice it...
 
As to whether Quattro truly improves safety, refer to the AOA website as well as numerous other sources that tout its safety.
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Re: A6 3.2 quattro or not? [liferules] by brian124
Mar 13, 2007 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: liferules (Mar 13, 2007 12:18 pm)

You might be confusing traction control with Quattro. Unless Quattro has recently been changed, I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. My A6Q does not have traction control (it was not offered on the 2000). I assure you that I can spin all four wheels and slide it sideways on snow or oil slick roads. And, please don't go on a Jeep or Toyota forum and say what you did on your post about 4X4.
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Re: A6 3.2 quattro or not? [brian124] by liferules
Mar 13, 2007 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: brian124 (Mar 13, 2007 12:41 pm)

No, I'm quite comfortable saying Quattro.
 
Did you read the link? Have your Googled "quattro"?
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Re: A6 3.2 quattro or not? [liferules] by brian124
Mar 13, 2007 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: liferules (Mar 13, 2007 1:33 pm)

Guys, I think Audis are great cars! I own one. My next car will be a new A6 4.2 Quattro. They handle great, better than cars without it, etc, etc. But Quattro does not allow the car to avoid the laws of physics.
 
Not to burst your bubbles, but the differential Audi uses to control their 4 wheel drive system is manufactured by a firm called JTEKT. It is called a Torsen differential. Hummer, Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, and Subaru use Torsen differentials in some of their cars and trucks with 4 wheel drive. Many of them have setups that are nearly identical to your A4s and A6s. (Now I'm going to get thrown off this forum for heresy!)
 
Yes, Audi of course claims that having a car with Quattro (Torsen differential) is safer on all types of surfaces than one without. The only aspect of the Quattro system that makes it unique to Audi and safer on ALL surfaces is on SOME models Audi places the Torsen differential inside of the transmission. This allows Audis to use the engine/clutch to brake using all four wheels. This has obvious safety and control advantages on all surfaces when using the engine to brake. Also, you can understand the benefits to race cars that are being driven to their limits and use the engine to brake routinely. Automatic transmision Audis DO NOT use this setup. That is not to say there are no benefits on wet or dry surfaces.
 
As I stated before, four wheel drive is more fun to drive than front wheel drive, Quattro eliminates torque steer, improves acceleration, etc.
 
The guy was just asking for opinions and I said that if HE WAS COMFORTABLE with the performance of a FWD (which I am not but many people are) he should consider the FWD Audi. Many people buy Audis because of their interior and exterior styling and road manners. My wife for instance would have no idea if she was driving a Quattro or FWD Audi. She just thinks they look good. Let's call a truce.
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Perhaps. . . by markcincinnati
Mar 14, 2007 (3:57 am)
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. . .the resale value improvement alone justifies selecting the car with quattro.
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Thinking of buying a 2002 A6 by themarshall
Mar 14, 2007 (5:27 am)
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any suggestions...still a fairly expensive car for an 02, and have never owned an Audi before....any adivce??
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Re: Perhaps. . . [markcincinnati] by brian124
Mar 14, 2007 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 14, 2007 3:57 am)

Sorry, I can't help it.
 
Edmunds is showing that in Florida, a 2002 A6 with Quattro has a trade in value of only $730 more than a FWD with CVT. In other words, your car is going to depreciate more in Florida if you have Quattro. Certainly this is not the case in northern states.

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