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#6276 of 6921 Re: M35X versus Audi A6 Quattro [sfcharlie]
May 23, 2006 (4:46 am)
My #1 and #2 choices were Audi A6 3.2 with all the boxes checked (practically) or the Infiniti M35X with Journey, Technology and rear deck aero.
I wanted the Amaretto or Bourbon leather.
The differences in the cars were subtle, but I liked the Audi for several reasons that primarily have to do with the feeling behind the wheel and a long history with Audi.
The price difference on a lease, however, at the time I ordered the Infiniti favored the Infiniti by ~ $200 a month on a lease that began with a $6. The Audi had full maintenance, but that might be $50 per month (but with 10,000 oil changes, that might be high.)
At the moment, in time -- then, the Audi was the choice for performance, luxury, history, driving experience, etc etc etc. But not a couple hundred a month "better choice."
For me, hands down, apples and apples ( a very similar price, i.e.) the Audi out-did the Infiniti.
When the lease numbers came in three months later on the Audi (after they found out I had purchased an M35X -- or at least placed one on order) they had somehow figured out how to configure the car I wanted in the exact color I wanted, order it and lease it to me for $641/mo 36 months, no upfronts, 45K and whack off the last two lease payments on my 2003 allroad (and no sec dep either.)
The Infiniti almost identically equipped was $677.
The Audi, prior to this had been about $850 -- poof the price drop allowed me to get the car I wanted all along.
Today, my choice would still include these two -- but would be augmented by the inclusion of the 530xi WITH A STICK SHIFT -- which, all things being equal again would very likely get the nod.
With the stick out of the equation, I would probably be back to a finishing order of Audi, BMW and Infiniti.
These cars are converging in terms of the L and P components of LPS. Until there is a substantial difference, I would probably still evaluate the situation in no small part based on the MO/PAY.
I always order my cars and would likely not have to play the "what's on the inventory list" game.
Yet, one final thought: if the BMW dealer has the car in stock that I want and it is a stick shift and it does NOT have black leather, I might well consider it if it is price competitive with the other two.
These three cars "get it" -- the two Germans moreso, today, than the Japanese. Look out though, improvements in the M35X will certainly put even more heat on the German rival's -- especially if the Japanese can do it for a competitive price.
I ended up with:
Cambridge Green Pearl/Amaretto Premium Leather
In-Arm Rest Phone cradle
$53,286 MSRP $0.00 down $641/36/45K Drive off, first month, plate transfer fee.
Wish I had gone the extra $250 for the sport suspension.
#6278 of 6921 Any Japanese vs. Audi
May 23, 2006 (6:23 am)
A long time Audi person put it to me best; he said "driving a japanese car is like driving a luxurious appliance that has no soul". Their vehicles are a dime a dozen, very uninspiring and unremarkable. There is no vehicle like the Audi...really.
#6279 of 6921 Re: Any Japanese vs. Audi [wbwynn]
May 23, 2006 (6:41 am)
I agree with what you have said, EXCEPT, their vehicles are certainly NOT now (not that they ever were) a dime a dozen in this class.
The Lexus is the least involving and the Infiniti is the most (from my point of view.) I wouldn't buy, today, any Lexus product but that is different than thinking they are a dime a dozen. For me they are isolating in a way that seems to start off right and then end up beyond comfy beyond quiet -- too far beyond for my tastes.
But these are serious contenders (especially the Infiniti) and are not in any way a dime a dozen.
There are, increasingly, more NOW than ever (since 1977 anyway) more and more cars that are "like" Audi.
Audi for nearly 25 years was rare, darn near unique -- and they frittered it away and have watched the competition heat up and up and up until the LPS crowd that is often discussed here on Edmunds has become more similar in terms of content and performance leaving the differentiation increasingly up to "style" rather than substance.
Another corner heard from, i.e.
Audi is, having said all the above, on a roll (in the US) -- for it has been sellling smartly for years against its rivals BMW and Mercedes (in Europe.)
BMW comes out with X drive "as if" it had been doing it for 25 years (Audi really has.) Now, Mercedes -- very much like Audi -- offers virtually every product with at least available AWD.
Audi was (that is past tense) different. Now, not so much.
The breed (cars) is improving. Small comfort for Audi to see it is being copied in so many ways.
It all started with the jellybean shaped Taurus (which was derivative of the Audi 5000) -- the march of the copycats has only accelerated.
Whattya gonna do?
Beware of believing there are no vehicles "like the Audi" for the entire market seems to be hell-bent to imitate them in so many ways.
Of course, as usual, this is just my opinion, which is often wrong -- but I am NEVER uncertain.
#6280 of 6921 Re: Any Japanese vs. Audi [markcincinnati]
May 23, 2006 (6:49 am)
Great comments; I have been in a Lexus LS430 for the last 5 years; I am sure the current M35 is an advancement in driving dynamics, but my test drive of an A6 just blew me away. The Lexus is indeed so isolating....nothing wrong with that... It is what it is! BTW, I am going to buy or order an A6 Avant very soon.
#6281 of 6921 Re: M35X versus Audi A6 Quattro [sfcharlie]
May 23, 2006 (6:59 am)
My children will always be swayed by technology. But they are not buying or driving my vehicles.
My wife has say on her car, but not mine. I love my wife to the end of time and thing the world of her Arse, but she don't get to pick my car seat. Her dimentions (thank goodness) are not like mine.
The M is a nice care. The exterior is a bit bland, sort of looks like a ford fusion? Or five hundred?
The interior has that "wiz-bang-new car-eye candy" look that is designed to grab you at "hello" and bring it home. But in two years, it will not be so. Kittens grow to cats.
My 03' allroad looks great and while newer models are certainly nicer, if I had to drive this car for 20 years I can live with the interior. It is quality and ages well.
The New A6 is a nice evolution of the Audi theme.
My problem is no stick shift on the A6, and back seat on A4 is too tight for my needs.
I agree with mark that based on Automatic choices the Audi and BMW would be on the top of my list.
I also prefer to have less technology in the car and more road feel. The german car thing has its merits. But in terms of reliability, its not as high as Lexus. German cars just need to go to the dealer more often. If that bugs you out, go Japanese brands. Of my three cars, two are made in Japan. Oops, they are made in Indiana by a Japanese comapany!
Remember, kids love video screens, and there are spouses that prefer luxury over anything. Whos driving this car Charlie? If its the Mrs., then get her what she wants.
#6282 of 6921 Re: M35X versus Audi A6 Quattro [markcincinnati]
May 25, 2006 (5:15 am)
I hate that you can't get a $250 sport suspension anymore, and have to buy the expensive S line package.
I like the optional 7 arm 18 inch wheels. But a little drop would be nice as it sits a little high with the normal suspension.
#6283 of 6921 Re: M35X versus Audi A6 Quattro [rjlaero]
May 25, 2006 (11:41 am)
Here's what kinda bugs me, you can't specify UHP A/S tires, you either have to take Summer Only UHP tires or HP A/S tires.
I didn't used to think tires could "transform" a car.
But the 18" wheels and 245 x 40 x 18" UPH All Season tires with inflation 38f 35r will make a huge handling difference.
The ride height issue is about 20mm with the level one sport suspension, the ONE that used to be $250 over the price of the 18" wheel option alone.
The SLine package is, frankly, more show than go -- BUT BUT BUT -- the SLine package with the UHP tire box ticked ups the wheels to 19" and adds the sport suspension.
I have noted over the years that a higher performance tire on the larger (18 or 19") wheel offers THE greatest performance improvement (responsiveness, turn in, etc.) Now, of course, the lower suspension and the thicker anti roll bars and the stiffness in general add the finishing touches (sharply reduced body roll during hard cornering.)
But the stiffer sidewalls of the UHP and Max performance tires do seem to mostly prevent the roll over on the tires that can happen with the lower performance H rated rubber.
The SLine looks great. It seems about a grand or so too high to me though just on general principles.
My dealer said very few people were happy with the sport package in 2005 and that the SLine cars sit in inventory much longer than the non SLine versions even if some of them have higher MSRP's (which is not THAT often.)
The sport package with the summer only tires seemed to many to be too harsh and the tread life was, er, dismal.
The A6 is bought at least as often for luxury as for performance, probably moreso.
The A4 still allows the selection of the sport suspension for $250.
The sport suspension is still a stand alone option (but not here in Vaspucciland) the last time I checked.
Heck, the SLine Wheels are really sweeeeet looking.
#6284 of 6921 Re: M35X versus Audi A6 Quattro [markcincinnati]
May 25, 2006 (7:17 pm)
You may have noticed, but Audi did tweek the sport suspension from 2005 to 2006.
The 2005 models were quite harsh with the 18 inch wheels and either sport suspension or S line package. The 2005 cars sit lower to the ground that the revised 2006 models. More than a few people complained about the hard ride when the 05 sport model A6's first came out.
The 2006 S line package feels great to me. It's a perfect set-up between looks, ride, handling, and every-day comfort.
I just wish you could get that ride set-up for a little less money without the expensive S line. But as you said, those 5 arm wheels are quite sharp, and the S line grill and painted spoilers do add a nice look to the A6.
The S line car in Atlas Gray is quite gorgeous. But Atlas is gone for 2007, and it's being replaced with Quartz, which is almost the same.
There's also a Daytona Gray color exclusively available with the S line for 07.
#6285 of 6921 Mark, when my lease runs out can you negotiate the next one for me?:)
May 26, 2006 (9:17 am)