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Audi A6, Sedan
Sep 30, 2005 (7:10 am)
My 2005 A6 3.2 has now passed 6,000 miles. It is getting better all the time in every way I can imagine to share with you.
It has two "issues":
#1 I make a lease payment and I get a new Advanced Key "start engine" switch (I am on switch #4). The dealer's A6 "expert" (service, not sales expert) says he believes a "fix" is in the works (a new switch design that places durability as its top quality.)
#2 Without rhyme or reason the DSP Bose settings for surround sound on both Sirius and CD will revert to "normal" repeatedly. The dealer has reported this to Audi and "guesses" there will be an MMI or Bose DSP "ptf" (program fix) upcoming -- but it will not rise to the level of "campaign."
Otherwise: engine power and fuel mileage have both improved noticeably. The all-season tires are nearly silent, seem to wear well but frankly are uninspiring in terms of their contribution to the car's apparent handling capabilities (I say apparent since the tires do their best to obscure these capabilities.)
Nothing has broken (other than a small chip in the front window where a stone hit the glass), everything works and works like a jeweled watch.
Complaints? Well, how about suggestions for improvement? Sure:
Voice Command works VERY WELL, but -- the memory is forever getting full (when you have Sirius Radio, plus AM & FM, the memory for "storing stations" seems to be about 25% of what it "ought to be.") Also with respect to voice command, it MUST BE MADE standard equipment for all A6's with MMI (which is all of them) since there are 82 "buttons and knobs and switches" that may be fiddled with by the driver. I had tire pressure monitoring on my last 2003 Audi -- never needed it (glad I had it, but never needed it), now it is standard on the A6, voice command is vital, tpm is good to have, but if you could have but one, the point is, get Voice.
Voice Command -- at $350 -- should be included and if you buy one without voice command "what are you thinking?" Especially if you plan to use the telephone "hands and eyes free" while driving (which is, after all, the ONLY way to safely, even remotely safely use a telephone when you are the driver of a moving vehicle.)
Voice Command should be expanded to "do more stuff" -- the climate control, the heated seats (at least the driver's), and make it more useful with the Navigation System for Pete's sake. Shamelessly imitate and rip-off the Inifiniti M and Acura RL's systems voice command capabilities in fact.
Make the steering column power actuated -- this would NOT effect my purchase decisions (having had three cars with it and many more without), but it would be a factor during pre-purchase comparisons.
Offer more wheel/tire combinations.
Lower the final drive ratio by 2% to 3 % and raise the ratio of 6th gear to compensate for the mileage hit such a lowering would / could cause.
Or: improve the torque by at least 5% in numbers and have it come to full boil several hundred RPM's lower.
Offer more colors (exterior and interior).
Keep full maintenance, like BMW.
Advertise about 500% more.
I don't know if I would have loved the M35X I nearly bought more, less or just the same -- I do know this A6 is better, by far, than my 1997 A8 ever was (even after I put the full S8 suspension treatment on it.)
I'd give this car an "easy" 9 (on a 10 point scale) and a not too hard "9.25 - 9.5."
BTW -- I have the Audi accessory that "builds in" the Sony bluetooth phone -- don't leave home without it.
#5879 of 6921 Re: Climate (Lack of) Control [wpwilliam]
Sep 30, 2005 (7:23 am)
I am not certain, but I think it is possible that the compressor is NEVER fully disengaged even when "econ" mode is selected.
However, the A6 can be placed into Auto/Econ mode which effectively reduces by about 98%+ any cooling capabilities. The fan in such a mode remains in auto mode and there appears to be virtually no cooling going on. I had read somewhere, however, that the compressor has no "fully off" position, rather it has a "mostly off" position -- which is called "econ."
The dealer service manager should know the skinny.
#5880 of 6921 Re: Climate (Lack of) Control [wpwilliam]
Sep 30, 2005 (7:42 am)
I don't mind tapping the fan buttons so much, rather how the fan blower motor "squeals" in cold weather on my A6 until the cabin warms up. Absolutely no problem in warm weather, only for the first 15 minutes or so of cold weather, but a VERY annoying 15 minutes!
#5881 of 6921 briefly, a digression
Sep 30, 2005 (10:22 am)
Does anyone know if it is either hard on the engine or harmful to start a car repeatedly with the compressor on? As you (may) know, many German cars do not have a simple "off" button for the auto climate control, forcing you to tap the fan button repeatedly until it's off. With this being the case it encourages you to keep it on all the time.
#5882 of 6921 Re: 6,000 miles [markcincinnati]
Sep 30, 2005 (12:38 pm)
You're definitely correct about the complexity of the A6. I received my A6 about 2 weeks ago and haven't had time to lean even half the functions. The NAV system is a pain, b/c it actually has too many roads. For instance, when I used it last week, it had Chapel Rd, East Chapel Rd, and West Chapel Rd!
Like you, I've been pleased with the mileage so far. I've been getting about 26 MPG with the V-8, which is quite good for a car that is yet to be broken-in. The growl from the engine and its responsiveness to throttle inputs is amazing.
The only problem I have with the car is a long slashlike dent below the driver's side door received courtesy of my parking garage and some very minor rattling in the glovebox area.
FYI, on my 2006, the DSP surround settings seem to be retained. Also, I have an electric steering wheel and my start key seems solid so far.
#5883 of 6921 Re: Climate (Lack of) Control [liferules]
Sep 30, 2005 (10:26 pm)
"I disagree. The beauty of such a complicated automobile such as the A6 is that you set the desired temp and leave it alone. The car does all the work for you, with its thermostat, sun sensor, etc... It baffles me to read people who toy with the blower ratios, etc." --- "Most people set the temp and leave it alone. A few toy with them constantly. If a person is of the latter group, then maybe a simple Neon would be better"
The there seems to be on this board an attitude among some that if others don't think and do as they do then they must be dumb, lame or confused. I take issue and offense to this crude and inappropriate way of responding to alternate points of view. This is a public forum, to be enjoyed by all, not dominated by those who presume to sit in judgement of how others should operate their cars, or when or if a question is relevant or topical.
It is certainly fine to say that you disagree, and to give the reasons why, but this steady harangue on blower speeds or octane rating, or setting one's home thermostat, is simply uncalled for. As for the Neon comment, that's just plain rude and disrespectful. Who do you think you are to be so judgemental, demeaning and condescending? Do you presume to speak for all Audi-dom? How you choose to operate your car in Texas is your business. The fact that you do things one way, doesn't mean we all should do it the same way, nor does it mean that YOUR way, is the "right way".
For the record, some people have different needs and comfort levels than others. Some people need or enjoy a certain amount of airflow over their face in order to remain comfortable, notwithstanding temperature setting. Moreover, in some parts of the country, such as the southwest, where temperatures are routinely 90 degrees farenheit or higher, one may find themselves getting in a very hot and uncomfortable car. When the temp is set to LO (cold) the fan turns up to its highest -- and loudest -- setting. If one is trying to back up in reverse, or enter traffic, or take a call, or converse with a passenger, that very loud fan speed can be a distraction or problem, and often needs to be turned down, if only temporarily. Then there are those who suffer from asthma, who cannot tolerate cold air blowing on them with force. These people too are concerned with fan speed.
In other cars, turning down the fan speed, just like turning the radio dial, is a simple affair. On some Audi's, it's more difficult, and can require two or more turns or pushes of dials or switches.
This gentleman, and others, have every right to beef about Audi's habit of making simple things inordinately difficult. This FACT has been written up repeatedly in virtually every auto magazine in recent years. The MMI is one glaring example that has been roundly criticised in the American print media.
In sum, there are many aspects of an Audi car that are outstanding. And there are some that ain't.
Coming to this board to vent or suggest a fix by Audi seems a worthy use of this board. I for one, enjoy hearing about other people's ownership experiences -- unfettered and unvarnished -- thank you very much.
#5884 of 6921 Re: Climate (Lack of) Control [legendman]
Sep 30, 2005 (11:32 pm)
The problem with climate control is that it controls temperature and volume. The end result is a system that decides how much air you want and what temperature it should be. I usually like some air blowing…but not directly in my face (as opposed to my wife that likes a hurricane in her face).
An Infiniti I used to own (in winter) would start off on high heat and fan, but then would turn the fan down and keep the temp high. This annoyed me because I prefer more air volume with the temperature less than scalding…so I fiddled.
Some times when you’re really cold or hot you want the car colder or warmer than normal (based on temp setting) till your “core” temperature settles. I supposed they need sensors to measure the persons body temp to decide this.
#5885 of 6921 Let's be careful
Oct 01, 2005 (5:47 am)
not to turn different perspectives into personal confrontations. Different strokes for different folks and all ...
#5886 of 6921 Re: Climate (Lack of) Control [legendman]
Oct 01, 2005 (5:51 am)
Although there certainly are SOME critical articles pertaining to MMI, the vast majority of articles where these "interfaces" are discussed generally criticize i-Drive and suggest that MMI is "more intuitive." Indeed, I have read articles that say MMI represents the way it should be done. I dunno about that, since I am still somewhat on the fence about the absolute efficacy of these systems (at their current state of development.)
But, full disclosure, I remember Windows 2.0 and 3.0 being introduced when DOS was the OS du jour for the most popular PC programs (e.g., spreadsheets, word processing, etc.) -- and I thought it was crazy to use a mouse to click on an icon when it was easier (at the time) to simply key "WORD" at the command prompt to start up WordPerfect.
To me, then, the current i-Drive and MMI type interfaces seem as primitive as Windows 2.0. When test driving an Acura last year, I thought the Acura approach was "the best" interface evolution I had seen -- and even that was not as elegant as I suspect we will see in a year or three.
However, having said all this, MMI WITH VOICE COMMAND is (as I recall my earlier grading) about a B+.
For $53,000+ for a car, I think we humans can do better.
As far as fiddling with A/C and other controls go -- the only comment I can add is that these "universal control systems" (such as i-Drive and MMI) should NOT be fiddled with while driving until more advanced voice commands become the norm.
As an example, Sirius shuffled their channel numbers and station assignments recently -- and I had previously set 25 stations via voice command. Imagine my chagrin when I commanded "Play Fox News" and the stand-up comedy channel played instead. I darn near wrecked as I violated my own rules by attempting to find the new home of Fox News while driving and without voice prompting to allow me to do so "hands and eyes free."
I dunno about the Neon comment, I didn't think it was INTENDED to be crude and offensive. But perception (each individual's perception) is reality and I accept that some could be offended and some amused & bemused.
I don't know enough about any other system -- since I have an A6. However, getting any of the current crop of LPS cars without voice command capabilities is IMHO a recipe for a potential "driver distraction" related accident.