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#5681 of 6921 Re: New Audi's For 2006 [legendman]
Jul 14, 2005 (7:03 am)
The Audi A6 was my first choice. I labored long to place the Infiniti M35X on order.
I believe to this day that decisions were made to bring the Audi A6 to market and price it "as if" it had been a member in good standing of the Premium Luxury Performance Sedan club (Note: the fact that I, Roseanne Roseanna Danna, believed that the Audi line HAD been in the club for years didn't make it so.)
The way Audi brought the car to market "as if" was to put the car on the market with lease programs that were, IMHO, outrageous. Often the lease program would allow a buyer to bring up two web browsers at once (one signed onto Audi, one to BMW, for example) and "configure and price" two similar cars (in this case a BMW 530 and an Audi A6 3.2.) For years and years Audis always offered somewhat lower MSRP's, higher content and the secret sauce "quattro." Moreover, it was often possible to configure the BMW du jour as a maxed out 530 and for the same money you could get an Audi A6 4.2. So, until the new 2005 A6's, one could configure a 6 cylinder BMW and an 8 cylinder AWD Audi for even money.
From my vantage point, the Audi was a Premium Luxury Performance Sedan (w a V8 and AWD and 100% free maintenance) that was very very high value.
With one fell swoop, the 2005 Audi A6 leapt in price and leapt in lease cost so much that an apples to apples comparison almost always favored the BMW by close to $200 per month.
When nearly half of your cars are on the street under a lease contract, this "ought to have been" a clue. Moreover, when the list of 7 or 8 "usual suspects" in the LPS category were all outselling you and/or you were vying for next to last place, month after month (despite accolades after accolades about your product) -- well it just seemed to me that the Audi had squandered its several long standing advantages.
I tested and liked the M35X and it too was nearly $200 per month less to lease than my beloved Audi.
In no way did I find the Audi to be unworthy in terms of content or features. Sure I thought it was a tad bit underpowered and the Infiniti and Lexus and Acura offerings did seem to offer a few more bells and whistles (and I love bells and whistles), but Audis over the past nearly 30 years have been very good to my wife, my company and me. We had "leased and/or purchased" some 27 of them since 1977, in fact.
That WAS the story until June 23rd.
I got a call from my local Cincinnati Audi Dealership: the Audi Connection and from Audi of America. They said they would make me an "attractive" offer for a new 2005 Audi A6 3.2 configured exactly as I wanted it and even in the color combination I wanted (even if it had to be ordered).
I asked for virtually every possible option and I wanted Green Pearl exterior and Amaretto Premium (standard, not sport) Leather seats.
A few days later, the call came from Audi that they had located a car. Another few days later, I got the call that the car was ready to pick up -- no sec dep, no cash out of pocket, just my first month's lease payment and a plate transfer fee from my 2003 Audi allroad to my 2005 Audi A6 3.2.
Infiniti was gracious, apologized and thanked me for the opportunity to market their M35X to me. They instantly refunded my deposit which I had placed on my "custom ordered" M35X.
I am now at 3 plus weeks into the car. I have 1,800 miles on it (I drove it to Pittsburgh and back and made a trip to Columbus and back, so I have put some heavy miles on it early on.)
I love the car. It gets great milage -- it isn't as powerful as I would like, but what I would have had with the M35X is probably something on the order of a half a second quicker acceleration to 100kph.
I have listed several times the gives and gets of this transaction and the two cars.
Suffice it to say I got something and I know I gave up something. The Infiniti M35X is in some respects a watershed vehicle. Audi (and the other guys, too) have a bullseyes painted on them and the best gun aiming at them right now, IMHO, is the Infiniti M family. The bar has been raised.
The "feature" I miss the most is the ability to play DVD-Audio discs. The M's top o the line sound system is just a tad better than the Audis system.
However, I just got the new Coldplay CD, the new Van Morrison CD and a remastered CD called Page & Plant, Unledded (Led Zep songs acoustic ally presented) -- the Audi sound system is the best car audio system I have ever had, even though I still know the M35X would have been just a teeny bit better.
Audi of America and my long term dealer came through. The new A6 is a great car -- but the bar keeps getting pushed higher and higher. The 2007's had better be just THAT much better all over again.
Nothing, that I can recall, ever said by me indicated any issues of significance with Audis products, especially the new A6 (significant enough to make me not want the car based on its content that is). I was just unwilling to pay almost $200 a month more for the Audi vs the other guys in the "club."
My A6 actually came in $8 per month less than the M35X would have been.
This time "it was about the money" -- the marketing/value proposition was out of whack (for me). I was mad as hell and I wasn't gonna take it!
And they lived happily ever after.
#5682 of 6921 Re: New Audi's For 2006 [markcincinnati]
Jul 14, 2005 (9:12 am)
Mark, not only is the car sooooo much quicker in "S" mode but the sound of the exhaust is really nice!!! Love this car...btw, I know it's harder to keep a dark car clean, but dark colors with the clearcoat that Audi uses is just unbeatable IMHO. Getting over 26 MPG.
By the way, did you ever see these cheesy chrome lens covers that only cover the edges of the rear lights lens...like a silver frame around the lights. I can't believe people would buy this...they make them for the front headlights too. Separately, I do like the chrome exhaust pipes. I know they make them for older years...my dual exhaust on the 05' A6 would look great with shiny chrome pipe extensions. Do they make them and do they just fit over the pipes that are there? What do you think?
#5683 of 6921 Re: New Audi's For 2006 [bondguy1]
Jul 14, 2005 (10:57 am)
Yes they are made and I think the factory chrome exhaust pipe tips that came with my A6 3.2 are just fine.
My Audi dealer has a full on ground effects kit for the A6 and it includes something that changes the rear valence to have twin twin chrome pipe extensions coming out of it, rear decklid spoiler, chin spoiler and sill and rocker panel effects. The wing on the butt is fine, perhaps the chin spoiler is OK, but the other stuff makes the thing look too much like a Pontiac Bonneville from a few years back with all that cladding on it. Yech!
I would want something, if I were to pop any money for stuff like this that made an improvement in handling, acceleration or performance in some way.
The rear spoiler seems like a worthwhile appearance and performance enhancement -- perhaps.
Bigger wheels and tires, too, could be helpful. I like the chrome tips.
Jul 14, 2005 (12:50 pm)
As you know, we have the same configuration and color Allroads, and will be making a similar decision as did you soon.
I see one could get a X3 with stick as did your Mrs. and was wondering if if you have written anything about it elsewhere?
The FX35 Infiniti seems a bit like a a worthy replacement to the allroad, and would be about $450 on the lease. I see this as a high content vehicle for the money. Now don't get me wrong, its a step down from the allroad, but its unibody carlike awd luxury is a similar segment to the allroad. I was wondering if you considered it in your infiniti consideration.
I am torn as to step up to an A6 which is leaning toward the luxury side of things, or down to an A4 with hopes of a 3.2 manual tranny. The X5 is bigger than I desire, and soon to be changed over, but also can be had in a manual! I am amazed everything short of the 7 series in BMW can still be had in a Manual!
I have fallen in love witht he A6 size, the 2.7, and the manual shift! I will need to move on, and cannot duplicate! The new A6 Avent does looks incredible!
I have seen A6 lease offer in the Wall St Journal the other day. I thought it was like $569 for basic $3k down, 10k miles, 39 mos. for basic leather version!
#5685 of 6921 Re: Bionic Cheetah [bargamon1]
Jul 14, 2005 (3:30 pm)
If you have time to wait till early 2008 the Q5 may be an alternative
#5686 of 6921 Re: Bionic Cheetah [bargamon1]
Jul 14, 2005 (6:19 pm)
You are at a good time to make a decision.
If you need the size and cargo carrying of the allroad -- and you want some sport, go with the X3.
Order it, order it, order it.
Configure it YOUR way.
The new X3 will have the 255 engine in the 3.0 version. And, if they continue the theme, the X3 can be both luxed and sported up and had with a 6speed manual.
Based on my wife's X3, I would say the X3 with the sport option is a worthy rival for your affections to the allroad.
The Avants, both A4 and A6 are certainly worth your consideration, too.
The A4 Avant is especially sporty and spunky and all 2006's can be ordered with quattro and a manual transmission.
Now, the A6 will be much bigger and if you need that much room, then consider the Avant in that configuation too.
For the money, for the time being, the X3 3.0 with Premium and Sport and Servotronic steering is "the bomb."
#5687 of 6921 Re: Bionic Cheetah [ivan_99]
Jul 15, 2005 (5:51 am)
That is so the vehicle I want! My time is up next summer I know this segment is a growing one and more choices are better. Infiniti was really ahead of the curve witht the FX.
My needs are decent room for back seat, and a reaonable about of cargo space. style, sport, and awd are the top priority.
I'll be looking at end of season 06's to lease from, or early 07's.
Thanks for posting the picture!
#5688 of 6921 Re: Bionic Cheetah [bargamon1]
Jul 15, 2005 (5:58 am)
I hope it comes to the US!
#5689 of 6921 Re: Bionic Cheetah [bargamon1]
Jul 15, 2005 (6:00 am)
Servotronic? sounds like somthing Oldsmobile had in the 1960's!
This time around I am actually trying to not look at the cache value of brands and like you looking at cost for value. I absolutley love the Audi thing and the A4 avent with manual would very much fit except for the smallish back seat, and familiar dash to current allroad, but its a step down! I can live without the two tone leather, but the A4 is less of a car than the allroad. Ok, thats my cross to bear. The A6 avent steps up to a more sedate lux ride, which is cool, and is about the best looking wagon I have seen!
Mark, any comps you considered in the Audi vs. FX35 at anytime?
Jul 15, 2005 (7:45 am)
The Servotronic steering is standard on the Audi and optional on the BMW -- the X3's on the lot at most dealers will NOT have this $250 option -- it makes a huge difference.
Servotronic basically means the steering effort is related to the road speed, not the engine speed. As you get faster the steering feels more connected to the road, rather than more disconnected.