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Audi A6, Sedan
#5268 of 6921 Re: A6 3.2 vs M35x [richcream]
Mar 02, 2005 (10:33 am)
I believe it [the Infiniti M35x] is 6.6 to 60mph. And, I believe TECHNICALLY, the Audi is 7.1 to 100kph. A nit? Perhaps.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why you would let your outgoing SLine A6 2.7T with a 5spd tip, offer up 6.4 seconds and replace the car with one that comes in at 7.1 seconds and, generally speaking, costs a bit more, comparably equipped.
Moreover, the $50K sport sedan class seems all about BEATING 7.0 seconds. Something about bragging rights.
BTW, generally speaking, the relative slowness of the Audi in and of itself would not turn me off of the Audi.
Indeed, the things that are turn offs are, in the scheme of things, fixable and I believe temporary.
#1 Tip lag (and this is NOT just for cars equipped with Tiptronic transmissions, I suspect XXX-Lag is there with Geartronic (Volvo) and Steptronic and so on); this I am certain can be engineered away if enough customers were to make it an issue. The very fact that Tip lag has been around since 1997 (when the Tip first came to US bound Audis) and NOT been dealt with (except in the S and RS class Audis) must mean that those of us who disdain this "feature" are but one grain of sand on a very big beach.
#2 Lease rates that don't augur well when the comparison with another famous German brand is so easy to make. This will be cured either by the other guys raising their prices or Audi dropping theirs -- the market will dictate the outcome. The early adopters will not be pleased, however if 3 or 4 months from now the A6 costs significantly less to "buy."
I bought the first 1997 Audi A8 off the truck in November of 1996, and watched the following two model years bring forth both higher content and lower prices and "rub my nose in them" -- I felt Audi had told me "the loyal and faithful will pay a higher price and take it in feature and function (content) too." My then new A8 was $72,000+, when the 1998 and 1999's came out, their price dropped thousands of dollars while their standard equipment list grew impressively.
Maybe what y'all have been saying is true, the early adopters pay and pay dearly for the right to be "the first one on the block" to have the latest and greatest. Trouble is, the faithful [and I qualify] seem to be disenfranchised by this practice (speaking for myself at least.)
And finally. . .
Having driven both the A6 3.2 and the M35x, I would say Audi has some serious competition, FWIW.
#5269 of 6921 Re: Audi A6 = Saturn L300 cousin? [porschefan]
Mar 02, 2005 (11:01 am)
A6 = Saturn LS300! That's pretty funny, I bet your co-workers at BMW thought it was HILARIOUS!
Actually, in another somewhat amusing case of mistaken identity, my brother saw a pic of the m35 and said it looked like a corolla, looking straight at it.
In both cases, I don't think anyone is gonna mistake either the audi for the saturn, or the m35 for the corolla in real life. Maybe in pictures.
#5270 of 6921 Re: Audi A6 = Saturn L300 cousin? [richcream]
Mar 02, 2005 (11:37 am)
The new BMW 5 series looks "Korean".
The back of a E class looks like a Camry.
The A6 back does slap me with Saturn.
#5271 of 6921 Re: Audi A6 = Saturn L300 cousin? [bargamon1]
Mar 02, 2005 (12:37 pm)
I don't know if I would say the 5 series looks "Korean" since i can't find a car that really looks like it at all. I think the outside is fine, it's the interior that is busted.
I'll agree with you on the Camry/E class breaklights. I mistake one for the other all the time.
The A6 might bear a slight resemblance to a Saturn. From a distance. In the rain.
What do you think of the Infinity M?
#5272 of 6921 Re: Audi A6 = Saturn L300 cousin? [richcream]
Mar 02, 2005 (1:23 pm)
The 5 looks like a "Kia", the name slips me.
The M is ok by me. The short rounded front kinda looks like the C5 A6 from the side. Interior is flashy. Being an ex-mercedes guy I thought Audis were a little tacky.
The o-60 numbers are all going to come into Audi's corner. They for years were penalized by slower times due to the inclusion of quattro! The M's gearing looks like it might benefit a quick off the line number. 0-60 in audi always not true cuz of tip lag! HA!
Looked at the GS from Lexus and they are taking a refined more audi approach. I have to see it in person. Seeing the Audi in person is what sold me on the fishmouth grill. It looks great.
This is a crowded segment now more than ever and somone will blink and offer incentives, especially on leases. It just might not be Audi like it was in the past.
Keeping it relevent, Infinity M vs the A6: all MSRP being the same, the audi wins hands down!
#5273 of 6921 Re: A6 3.2 vs M35x [markcincinnati]
Mar 02, 2005 (1:54 pm)
I suspect XXX-Lag is there with Geartronic (Volvo) and Steptronic and so on)
Mark, I can tell you there is no lag in the Steptronic Gearbox in my '00 528i but then I never had it in my '98 A4 Avant 2.8 either.
I will say that at roughly the same weight and HP
the Bimmer accelerates notably better than the A4 2.8. That's not meant as a knock on Audi, just to point out that the lag issue is far from universal and further that the Steptronic is as good as an autobox gets (excepting the DSG which some consider an Auto even if there's no TC).
#5274 of 6921 Re: Audi A6 = Saturn L300 cousin? [bargamon1]
Mar 02, 2005 (3:48 pm)
You really think the A6 3.2 wins "hands down" over the M35x? To me it's pretty much a dead heat.
If Infiniti would budge on the MSRP bottom line (which they are not even considering right now) I would say the Infiniti wins hands down. As it is, though, the overpriced (imo) M35x vs. the underpowered A6 3.2 is making this a difficult decision that basically boils down to (for me at least):
PRO - Nicer Exterior (IMO)
PRO - Smoother, quieter ride
PRO - Slight "Prestige" factor FWIW
CON - Slower
CON - Reliability issues
CON - 2006 improvements on Quattro + speed forthcoming
PRO - Faster
PRO - Nicer Interior, a little gaudy but still plush (IMO)
PRO - Better reliability (historically)
PRO - Better AWD
CON - Exterior not as nice/refined (IMO)
CON - Noisier ride, esp when accelerating, not sure if this holds true at prolonged high speeds
CON - It's just a glorified Nissan. While that's just snobbish trendoid BS at the end of the day, it's still a consideration.
What makes the A6 3.2 the "hands down" winner in your opinion?
#5275 of 6921 Re: Audi A6 = Saturn L300 cousin? [richcream]
Mar 03, 2005 (5:47 am)
I think you can't go wrong with either car. However, IMO, the infiniti, while a nice interior, can't match the fit and finish of the Audi.
The Audi is a classier looking car exteriorly as well.
The Infiniti definitely has the engine power that the A6 doesn't, but again, not as smooth an acceleration...
I favor the Audi, obviously, but as I said above, either is a great car.
#5276 of 6921 Re: Audi A6 = Saturn L300 cousin? [richcream]
Mar 03, 2005 (6:00 am)
Faster? Might be from a dead stop, but if gearing is weighted for quick release, then you loose it somewhere else. Better AWD on the INfiniti? Why?
Nicer interior on the interior of the M? Likely a subjective opinion, but the Audi is best in class by many measures. Reliable? Since I lease, and do so under the 50k miles on the total package, its not an issue. But my 03 allroad has been great with almost 30k on it.
Its my opinion that if both had the same price tag on it, or lease I would not even test drive an M35. I share to a lessor degree with Mark the strong afinity for the brand and design. The brand is strong with me, and would even consider dropping to an A4 if that is where the value is. THe new A6 avent wagon I think looks fantastic! I never thought I would ever own a wagon, and I only got my Allroad because the 6sp was on the lot for 3 months unsold and they made me an offer I could not refuse. I was on my way to the mercedes dealer to pick my color, and came home with an Audi! Two years later, I am still very much enjoying this car!
Question is, how much more would I be willing to pay to stay in them? Well, I spaced my lease so I would be in the fall of 06 before I get my next one. The world will be much diferent then. So Im not going to sweat it. I enjoy lurking and reading up on some auto's even if not in purchase mode. My dad worked for GM back in the day and the bug is just in me!
Priced out, the Audi 3.2 and the M awd seem close in price giver or take. Given all things being the same, the Audi goes in my garage.
Mar 03, 2005 (6:46 am)
"Reliable? Since I lease, and do so under the 50k miles on the total package, its not an issue." - bargamon1
For me, the reliability within the warrantee period is largely an issue of (in)convenience. The timing of service visits when my service providers are 15 - 20 miles from where I work and the hours I need to be at work (long before service departments even open and often after they close) results in a logistic challenge for me. I often lack flexibility regarding work time. And there is also the value I place on my time. . .
Preferring to minimize service visits during warrantee . . .