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#5191 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [luckylindy]
Feb 08, 2005 (1:15 pm)
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was:
1997 A8 5spd NON tip but "adaptive" auto
1999 A6 5spd tiptronic
2000 A6 4.2 5spd tiptronic
2001 A6 4.2sport 5sped tiptronic
-- all had EXACTLY the tip lag or combination transmission+drive by wire lag symptoms.
On the other hand none of the other two dozen Audis that we have had since our first one in 1977 that were manual transmission equipped have ever had any lags (OK, the first 1.8T, 180HP TT quattro, MY 2000 DID have a bit of turbo lag, but nowhere near as bad as the automatic equipped Audis lag).
Here is the heck of this situation -- in about 15 minutes the only Audis you can get EASILY with a manual transmission will be: S4, A4 2.0T and if there is a new TT, I assume it too will come with the stick available.
Reap what ye sow. We, the customers, have killed the manual transmissions -- shame on us.
Before you go thinking this is ONLY an Audi issue, I say Na Baby Na -- ever try a Porsche with a tip?
Yep, same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
As I have opined before -- I think these manumatic transmissions (in several fine European cars and probably some American ones too and maybe even some Japanese cars for all I know) have been programmed to behave this way.
I read a letter to the editor in a publication I subscribe to called "the quattro quarterly" and the EXACT same lag at 1 - 4 MPH "one mississippi, two m-i-s-s-i-s-s-i-p-p-i" delay and then VROOOOM were described as "dangerous."
I retrained my tip at least once a day when I had my last one -- and even then, from time to time, I would slow down at an intersection to the famous rolling stop and attempt to accelerate (turning or not) only to sense the engine seem to have a "flat spot" for a second to a second and a half, sometimes even longer (but rarely) and then that big Audi 4.2 V8 with nearly 300 ft pounds of torque would lunge forward as if stuck with a cattle prod.
I have a 2.7T allroad with a 6spd manual and the only lunging I ever do is "intended."
Since the program seems to be acting "as it was written to do" it really beats the heck out of me what they will do. Of course, they will reset the threshold and you will drive away, albeit temporarily, appeased.
What in the wide wide world of sports were they thinking when they wrote the program?!?
#5193 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [markcincinnati]
Feb 08, 2005 (3:18 pm)
Thanks, Markcincinnati--you write very informative responses. If I can't get this cured (admittedly, this is my first trip to the dealer), I will have to consider other options--it is literally too dangerous not knowing whether one might have a two second lapse in acceleration--there are times when such timing can be critical. This very morning a pedestrian waived me through a crosswalk, the car hesitated and she accordingly thought I was waiting for her--she started out, the car lunged, close call--could have been very serious.
I love the car otherwise--very nice lines, beautiful interior and great ride. Given your citing of history in this regard, it is amazing that they haven't fixed it.
#5194 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [luckylindy]
Feb 08, 2005 (3:40 pm)
I don't know about lemon law for tip lag... but I've found that I can prevent this somewhat by pumping the accelerator in those situations. You can't drive it like a typical car, but pump the accelerator then let off and gently press in as the car begins to move.
I personally haven't had the severe, "dangerous" problems you are describing, but have noticed a mild lag when driving in "D".
Hope it gets better for you!
#5195 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [luckylindy]
Feb 08, 2005 (7:56 pm)
I found, at least with the old V6, that if I quickly “tapped” the throttle about 25% or so that it would accelerate “appropriately”. The speed of the throttle itself seems to be just as important as how far you push it.
You can’t slowly squeeze the throttle and get performance out of it.
Similarly with passing power; a quick tap of the throttle and it would down shift one gear and get moving. If you slowly pressed the accelerator to the same position, or even further, nothing would happen; and it would feel as if you were towing a trailer.
#5196 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [ivan_99]
Feb 08, 2005 (8:40 pm)
Thanks "liferules" and "ivan_99"--I will try your suggestions--though it is a shame to have to adapt driving routine to the engine/transmission/DBW--it should be the other way around.
I will also post my experience with the dealer when I have the car again.
#5197 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [luckylindy]
Feb 09, 2005 (6:53 am)
I have a 3.2 and do not have acceleration issues. I have very smooth acceleration from a standstill and you should too. It seems that some cars have this problem. Make sure the dealer takes care of this.
#5198 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [jeqq]
Feb 09, 2005 (11:40 am)
That's comforting--it should mean that they can do something about it (believe me, you would know it you had the problem!). I await the attempted fix!
#5199 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [jeqq]
Feb 09, 2005 (4:02 pm)
I can assure you that all tiptronics have this issue. It is a feature. Some folks adapt to it, some folks assume it will adapt to them.
Other than your report, I have "never seen no one" that did not experience this to one degree or another.
Primarily it is from the rolling stop where the "danger" is perceived, FWIW.
#5200 of 6921 Re: New A6 3.2l Acceleration Concerns [markcincinnati]
Feb 09, 2005 (4:30 pm)
You are correct--it is primarily from a rolling stop where the problem occurs, although it also occurred once at30 mph when I was changing lanes. It is more than the equivalent of "turbo lag"--I have had both turbocharged and supercharged autos before and know what that is like--nothing like this where it "dies" for 2 to 3 seconds or so--it is very disconcerting to maneuver in traffic as it is sporadic and i can't "plan" for it.
As to my current status, Audi is now "checking with tech" and I should know more soon. Thanks for your interest and comments.