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Audi A6, Sedan
Nov 14, 2003 (11:54 am)
I don’t blame you for not searching this town hall for the prose on this very subject. The 2000 and 2001 A6 4.2’s that I owned had 9 sets of rotors (additive, not each) and some number fewer of brake pads. I kept the two cars for a combined mileage of around 55 to 60K miles. The final set of 4 rotors and pads on the 2001 were, apparently “perfect.” I traded the car in on a 2003 allroad. At 20K+ miles on the allroad, my service advisor tells me I have 50% of my pad left and I can attest that I have none of the problems that my prior Audis had.
Let me further clarify and illuminate: my 1997 A8 went through several sets of rotors, but I don’t remember it being every 15 minutes as it appeared to be on my most recent A6’s; my 1999 A6 2.8, I kept for 6 months while I waited for my 2000 A6 4.2 to arrive. My wife’s 3 TT’s have NEVER had any brake problems, nor did her multiple A4 2.8’s have any issues that apparently “feel” like warped rotors.
The brakes on my 00 and 01 A6’s were their worst features, I was always taken care of by Audi and as I posted on this board many times, I did not consider the problem anything other than an annoyance – but, I remind you that I also kept taking it back time after time after time for new rotors (on their nickel). I would be panicked if I had to buy rotors every few thousand miles without the Audi advantage. My service advisor told me the 2.7T, 4.2 and S4 of certain years had “issues.” I cannot comment if 2002’s cured the problems, but apparently by 2003 they were OK.
#3972 of 6921 Brakes
Nov 16, 2003 (4:05 pm)
Three brake rotor replacements in less than 30K is excessive. My rotors (01 2.7T) warped a bit (pulsation) at 22K miles and were replaced under warranty. I've had no further problems in 8K miles. Be aware that rotor warpage is not uncommon with many cars (but not every 9K), and most makes treat it as a wear issue and, unlike Audi, you have to pay for new rotors as part of a brake job.
I wonder if your dealer has checked the caliper alignment carefully to make sure your pads aren't pulling the disk out of line when pressure is applied; it can cause a hot disk to warp. I suspect there's more to your problem than the rotors themselves.
Nov 19, 2003 (1:34 pm)
Here is a very interesting paper regarding brake vibration / warped rotors. It was written by a very reputable expert in the field of automobile racing mechanics who has worked on substantial projects (original Ford GT-40) and is a published author of books on racing mechanics. The paper is found on a high performance brake component supplier's website. Following the basic procedure cured the brake vibration problem in my 2002 A6 which was exactly the same as described in message 3969. This is contrary to conventional wisdom, but it worked - and for zero cost. Read the paper and draw your own conclusions. It is on this website:
#3974 of 6921 EZ Care extended warranty
Nov 21, 2003 (1:47 pm)
Anyone have any specific knowledge of this plan my dealer is offering me for my new 04 A6 2.7T. Plan is supported by Ford Financial. The "Total Care" I'm looking at is for 7/100 and listed at $3500 (seems crazy), after much wrestling the best I've got them to commit to is $3200. This is over twice what we paid for from Lexus for my wife's vehicle. I've heard enough on this posting to "not want to own out of warranty", and am considering leasing, but!!! Any help, car is scheduled for delivery 12/5/03. WarrantyGold ran away from twinturbos and warrantynet is at $2500.00 for their best 7/100 plan, but I'm concerned about these internet plans.
Nov 23, 2003 (3:19 pm)
Here is the scoop. If you aquire a new Audi from Audiusa via an authorized dealer and at 49K miles want to have it "audi assured" and you have $1250 and are willing to have had the car 100% audi maintained, it can happen.
Your warranty will be from that point forward 24 months or to 100k miles whichere arrives first. Maint is not included but anything that breaks (and therefore is expensive) is covered by Audi.
If you want to keep the car this long, this is at least a reasonable way to proceed, IMHO.
#3976 of 6921 Thanks Mark
Nov 24, 2003 (12:56 am)
Wonder why this never came up in all my discussions (ask and you shall receive-perhaps!)Needless to say my "first Audi", "first Ordered Vehicle" experience is less than ideal-mostly my fault, but certainly with help! The current lease options they are offering seem horrible(lease factor of .0025 for 39 mths, or lease factor of .00145 for upfront ballon for 39 both starting at MSRP and ending with 51% residual),which they say are Audi's current rates-no deals. All of this may be because I've ordered vehicle under a buy arrangement(split dealer list and MSRP on ordered 6-speed) and they want it to stay that way. Though I researched this vehicle(helluva car-under warranty), I should of spent time in messages boards like this -vs- all the reviews. Live and learn. Will update as my saga continues!
Nov 24, 2003 (7:05 am)
I have never had the feeling that an ordered car is more expensive either on monthly payment or cap cost or % residual or any of the metrics used to calculate monthly payments.
Of course, for my wife and me, the Audi Loyalty program almost always seems to offer some deal that either lessens the upfront cash, buys out the lease early or provides other incentives that (among other things) keeps us buying and rebuying new Audis. We've had over two dozen since 1978 and yesterday test drove the 6spd S4 (my wife's first time behind the wheel of this car) -- even though we're only 14 months into a 36 month lease on two 2003 Audis.
I don't know the [your] circumstances obviously and I cannot comment on the dealer -- but over the past several years Audi financial has been "bery bery good to us!"
Nov 25, 2003 (6:02 am)
I have been reading the current Edmunds review of the Touareg. They have complaints about the accelerator response that are very similar to what I experience with my A6. See below.
" Light inputs to the throttle often result in unexpectedly quick starts. This can be disconcerting in stop-and-go traffic and parking lots — not to mention irritating to passengers who are convinced you're just an incurable speed demon or no better a driver than Homer behind the controls of Springfield's own monorail. The accelerator is also difficult to modulate. When accelerating by applying a constant amount of pressure, the vehicle doesn't move ahead to a set speed but instead continually speeds up even though no additional pressure is being applied to the pedal. It's almost like a slingshot the way the Touareg quickly builds speed --"
Must be the same drive by wire system.
I have one other related issue that occurs about once a month. It only happens when quickly stopping at a stop sign and then wanting to quickly move into an opening in traffic. Releasing the brake and stepping on the gas results in the car very slowly creeping forward instead of the usual rapid acceleration. It is very frightening and dangerous as the oncoming traffic approaches. I have learned to jam the pedal to the floor when this happens and the car will then take off. I spoke to the service advisor about this and he says it is because the brakes don't release the gas pedal to go quickly enough. Says there is no fix. Anyone else have this problem and is there a fix?
#3979 of 6921 Tip lag by any other name feels. . .
Nov 25, 2003 (11:25 am)
. . .like Turbo lag doesn't it? Now, I loved my 2 A6 4.2's -- found both the brakes and the transmission annoying.
Got a loaner A4 3.0 quattro tip last week -- tip lag was dreadful. The tip always seems to be one gear higher than I wanted it -- or that felt appropriate. Or under some circumstances the car just lurches forward -- in "S" mode this was greatly mitigated.
Drove for the second time the new Audi generation manual transmission in an 04 S4 on Sunday. Better even than a BMW -- finally. Can't for the life of me understand whatsssssupppp with the 5spd tip. I keep hopingin the 6spd tip has had the dreaded tip lag completely exorcised.
I found the tip mode in the A6 4.2 (and the A8, for that matter) to be unrewarding since it shifted out of first gear before 3mph unless you really goosed the accelerator.
The transmission in the Audi is, based on my friend's Bimmer, no better or worse than what must pass for standard normal manumatic German programming. In any case in any gate other than "S" the thing was herky-jerky, unpredictable and provided so little control as to render it potentially dangerous. As noted above a full stop followed by an immediate depress of the accelerator, but not to the floor, would once rocket off, then next time would act as if it were attempting to start from second gear, which was way below its effective torque.
The CVT, which I have now twice driven, is eerily smooth and seems to have no problems that I could find, other than the fact that it was connected to an underpowered engine (an A6 3.0 FWD CVT seems, liesurely able to accelerate, even though overall the CVT effect is quite pleasant -- almost turbine like.)