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#3801 of 6921 A6 Review On Found Mercedes Board
Jul 26, 2003 (7:15 am)
Audi A6 & Mercedes E-class, comparison test
I should be in bed as I write this. Being a male car enthusiast, only 2 things are likely to prevent me from doing so. One is female. The other is a rather good car. And I have just returned from a 250 mile one-night trip in one.
The other day I took my first real drive in a W210 E-class, a 2000 E240 (2.6). Maybe it was simply what I expected a newer Mercedes saloon to be. Or maybe it didn't feel like it had really moved on from a late 80's Mercedes, but it didn't really impress me much.. It had some of the good qualities of the oldies (ride, a fairly solid feel etc.), plus all the new technology they've come up with in the interim (airbags coming out of your ears, extra weight etc.), while also missing others (build, some of the class & elegance etc.). Being a manual didn't help, it doesn't suit the car and I decided pretty soon that it is not a car to drive quickly for fun, whilst the actual box and gearchange is pretty poor anyway.
Either way, it is not the car the W124 and 190E were in their days, and I cannot really see a reason for wanting one over either of these other than it's newer and safer. Okay its quieter than a 190E, but it also has precisely none of its nimbleness and enjoyment of driving quickly.
An 'OK' car in my opinion.
So, as luck has it, my Dad's garage sold a 2002 Audi A4 and a late 1997 54,000 mile Audi A6 (the new, current shape) was traded in. It's a car I have always liked the look of, but never driven much. My family has run many Audi's, but I am the first to tell people their faults and then drive one of our other cars. Our 261,000 mile 1994 A6 has and will run for ever while feeling it has done 100,000 miles, but I'd never choose to take it anywhere. The '98 A4 1.9 TDi we had was competent but dull in nearly all areas, the poor damping the most frustrating factor when attempting to drive it fast.
The only one to inspire me has been the '97/98 A8 4.2 Quattro. Excellent in all areas, but too damn big. To big to drive fast, too big to park, to big to own, and to big to fit in a warehouse. No idea has enticed me close to enough to make me want to own one.
This A6 is a 2.8 Quattro version. With a 5-speed manual. So, this afternoon, I took off to run some long distance errands with it. The below average ride experienced in some Audi's is nowhere to be seen. It's very slightly firm, blame the Quattro suspension (blame that also for the constant grounding) but also forgiving, and never crashy or anything close to unacceptable for an executive saloon. Then, you turn some corners, and I found the compliance completely at odds with the astonishingly flat cornering. There is also Zero weight transfer. I feel like I could use the white lines in the road as a slalom course all day and never worry about the rear of the car swinging some way I don't want it to. Incredibly stable through fast bends too, which I'm crediting to the Quattro drivetrain. This is all in the dry - where Quattro really excels, it is said, is in wet weather which I've yet to come across. Best of all, the whole car is complemented rather than disabled by the 5-speed manual, which happens to be rather sweet too. That said, for stop start work, I'd still prefer a good auto. I honestly didn't think a large saloon could defy physics like this seems to. Within minutes you can be close to the limits having the time of your life like you can't in any other large car I have ever driven, whilst never, even once, cursing the size and weight of the A6, or even, after a while, bothering to keep them in the back of your mind. This recalibrated my impressions of the capabilities of saloon cars. And I have driven 3 different new 3-series BMWs prior to this.
The 5 valve-per-cylinder (30-valve) 2.8 V6 is fairly lacking in torque, and thats my main problem with the car as a whole. It feels quick in the higher rev ranges though, where it is also super smooth, and it sounds great throughout, certainly a lot nicer mechanically and at the exhaust than the E240. I only averaged 21.7 MPG on my trip though (!!), though that was with hard driving I usually don't enjoy and therefore don't bother with in... any other cars I regularly use, the 190E being closest but nothing like as focused.
Anyone who has sat in a recent Audi will also already know the class and build of the interiors is miles above anything Mercedes has managed in ages. This particular car has been maintained by our garage for around 3 years and has been problem free, like most A6's tend to be.
Someone else, please back me up here with late model A6 experiences
So, how can I show I'm serious? I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and have decided to buy it, from my dad.
#3802 of 6921 Did anyone see the test of the RS6 & S4 on the Speed channel last Saturday?
Jul 28, 2003 (9:17 am)
Wow -- nice half hour show on two remarkable cars.
Since there is no action on the RS6 board, I thought I would ask here.
#3803 of 6921 Should I buy an Audi a-6 quattro?
Jul 30, 2003 (4:59 am)
Help-I drove the a-6 quattro and really like the car. However I am reading horror stories about repair problems and reliability about audi and this car. I currently own a lexus and although it does not ride like an audi -handling/performance-it is problem free.The 4 year maintenance free warranty is appealing but I do not want to spend every month in the repair shop with a loaner. Is anyone out there who is having a good experience with this car.please post your opinions on this subject. Also I read that audi resale values are terrible because of their problem reputation.Any info on this?
#3804 of 6921 The vast majority of Audi owners. . .
Jul 30, 2003 (7:59 am)
do not have problems that would or should anyway, deter you from buying.
Audis instill in most of us Passionate Responses -- as in "no boring cars."
Like anything else however, they could be more reliable.
My only advice: never have one out of warranty.
But this advice also applies to a Lexus in my opinion.
#3805 of 6921 Keith 's vibrating A6...wind buffetting
Jul 30, 2003 (7:13 pm)
check the Lemon laws in your state. Most state laws create a definition of "lemon" that includes X number of days in a year in the shop. It sounds like you're over the limit , at least you would be in my state. They havent been able to fix the problem, yet, and if they ever claim to have it fixed, you'll be in a car that was essentially "rebuilt" in a piecemeal fashion by the mechanics in your dealer's garage instead of the computer -controlled precision assembly plant in Ingolstadt.
Call your consumer protection office in your state and find out what the law is in your state.
You dont want this car. You may be legally entitled to have it repurchased by audi USA.
All A6s have wind buffetting with the sunroof open between 35 and 50mph ...crack a rear window and it will go away. By the time you hit 50, the airflow over the roof opening is sufficient to close the windows .
#3806 of 6921 I Gave Up On Audi
Aug 01, 2003 (9:09 am)
Back in message #3797 I reported on the continuing problems with Telematics I've had with an A6 and an S6.
The On*Star control module still has not arrived to replace the bad one they first sent the dealer to replace the one that originally failed.
I've talked to an attorney about lemon-lawing the car, since it's been in the shop 4 times since November. I might be able to lemon law it, but he feels Audi will fight it based on a claim that some of the failures were of the Telematics electronics and some were of the On*Star control module -- i. e., not the "same" repeated failure that the law requires. And Audi has been adamant that my only recourse is to continue to have the car repaired under warranty (every 12 weeks on average, since I bought the first car in May of 2002). Since the last failure caused the battery to drain down, I've become unwilling to take the car on long trips out of reach of Audi dealers.
So last night I traded the piece of crap for a new Mercedes SL500 -- and took a ~ $20,000 depreciation hit for owning the S6 about 8 months. Given the service history of the car, no one would give me above auction value on a trade-in.
So, folks . . . buy Audis if you like. But understand that if they have chronic problems, Audi will leave you holding a very expensive bag.
#3807 of 6921 genemachine1 on a used A6
Aug 01, 2003 (3:15 pm)
Even if you can get it certified used, do you have the time to deal with the potential problems - drop it off and pick it up, arrange for loaners, collateral damages, etc, etc. It takes a lot of time out of you. Most of us do not receive the red-carpet treatment or have the relationship with the local Audi dealer like someone here on the board. You'll have to strike a balance between driving enjoyment and the (potential) headaches.
#3808 of 6921 A6 Vibration Problem - Latest Update
Aug 01, 2003 (6:24 pm)
I thought I would give the group an update on my ongoing Audi A6 (2003, Quattro, 3.0, 4500 miles) and the vibration problem that has continued to elude the dealer.
In post # 3800 above (July 20th) I was still waiting on my car. Well I got it back late last week after spending more than three weeks in the Audi service center. The Audi engineers continue to be perplexed by this and Audi continued to throw a LOT of money into the car. (Wait 'til you see this number...)
(Mark, from post 3805 above, please note that my situation is NOT a wind buffetting problem. I think that was something someone else was asking about elsewhere in this thread.)
I got the car back and it is better. But at speeds between 40 and 65 you can still notice a vibration in the wheel and pants seat. As noted before, Audi has replaced the 17" wheels, tires, brakes, rotors, drive shaft and now the transmission.
Note to those on this board who like to keep their cars a LOOOOOONG time: Pray you never have to replace the tranny in one of these bad boys. The replacement transmission alone was over $14,000. Yes, that's right: Fourteen Thousand Dollars. (Actually it was about $14,400; but the rest is just a rounding error at this point.) This is one of the reasons I don't like keeping a car after the warranty expires!
So at this point I am awaiting word back from the Audi rep to see what's next. The dealer said the car definitely has to go back into the shop for several more days. That may happen next week.
To those posting about the Lemon Laws, from what I have been told by the dealer, Audi's rule is that they will continue to put money into the car for 30 days. I am real close to that point at this time. At 30 days they open negotiations and look for alternate resolutions. I have neither the time nor the energy to litigate, so I am going to push Audi on this.
Thus far, in my 4 months of ownership, there has been well over $17,000 in repair work been done (and documented) on my car. This has got to be one of the most expensive Audi A6 Quattros in the world!!
More to come as this story continues to unfold...
Aug 01, 2003 (8:32 pm)
I've got to say that I admire your patience...
Did they replace the Transmission Control Module? When I owned my allroad that turned out to be the source of my vibration problem. Assume they've considered that but just checking...
#3810 of 6921 Telematics Installation on an '01 Audi A6
Aug 02, 2003 (3:48 pm)
I was considering getting the OnStar Telematics installed in my '01 Audi A6. I Emailed the OnStar folk and they said that it is a dealer installed option. Given the recent posts, I am hesitant about it now but am just wondering if perhaps the posts (3797, 3806) are just isolated incidents?
For those who have the OnStar/Telematics, does it work fine in your Audis? I rented a Cadillac in southern CA recently and really liked the OnStar service, from the restaurant location to the directions. If it can work in a Chevy Cavalier, why not an Audi?