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Audi A6, Sedan
Dec 19, 2002 (9:36 am)
There is a code that makes the horn beep when you lock the doors -- it can be turned on and off. Based on my 03 allroad, it does seem that more and more of the codes are being placed on menus -- but I can't figure out why the codes are all not put into a menu.
I was told that the window + power door lock thing is frowned upon since it may deactivate a safety feature -- when the airbags deploy the door locks are supposed to unlock. Apparently if the door lock+window open close feature is turned on there may be an issue with the airbag door lock actuation.
The apparent problem is that so many things in the car are controlled by codes that it is POSSIBLE to have codes that conflict with each other (methinks the program should be modified to disallow this). Audi is very sensitive to safety issues ever since the 60 minutes piece nearly drove Audi out of the US market ("unitended acceleration".)
I found a web site, sorry I don't have the URL anymore, that listed all the things that could be made to work via codes -- most of the stuff was, as I recall, not of much interest and some of it was "dumb" (IMO). But the headlights on with the wipers seems to be pretty standard, even my 1996 Jeep Grand would turn the headlights on whenever the wipers were turned on.
Pretty soon it will be more cost effective to put every option available on every Audi and only charge for them when and if they are activated. For example, when my 2000 A6 4.2 came in, the steering wheel was heated -- but not turned on. The cruise control was there too but not turned on -- indeed there were even codes that could be effected that would enable or disable the ABS and other things (airbags perhaps?).
IBM has started this with their computers, the CPU clock cycle is X when you buy the computer then if you need 2X you call them and they give you the secret code and you pay them -- but the extra horsepower was there all along.
Imagine that every feature, option and gizmo that audi sells is already on the car (not things like sunroofs perhaps) and when you pick the color of the car and the interior appointments that is all there is to it. Then when you pick up the car you pay for the options you want enabled. Things that are electronic and have an absolute low component cost would be the first to be sold in this fashion.
Hmm just wondering. . .
#3508 of 6921 Nokian Hakka Q's vs NRW
Dec 19, 2002 (4:06 pm)
Some of you may remember my comments on the Nokian Hakkapeliitta Q tires I had installed the end of November. This message is for the archives for future potential buyers of Nokian winter tires. Here's what I did.
After reading quite a bit about the various models of Nokian winter tires, I bought a set of the Hakka Qs and had them installed the end of November. The other choices I was considering were the Hakkapeliitta 1 and the Hakkapeliitta NRW. The Qs are a relatively new tire designed for use without studs on ice and snow. The Hakka 1s are able to accept studs, but do not have to be used. The NRWs are described as "All Weather Plus", meaning they can be used in the summer, unlike the Q and the 1. The main attraction of the NRW is "H" speed rating; the other two are rated "Q".
Within the first few minutes of using the Hakka Qs I was struck by how much "squishier" they were when cornering and changing lanes -- not dangerously so, but quite different from the factory installed Michelin Pilot HX MXM4s I had driven on the car earlier in the day. I was able to deflect the tread block easily with my thumb, a function of the softer compound and extensive siping. Both of these attributes would be helpful in icy conditions, but not helpful when rounding curves on dry roads.
About 10 days after I had them installed I was checking the Nokian web site and could no longer find reference to the Hakka Qs. I called my tire shop to make sure they had not been discontinued. They were surprised to hear the Qs were not listed and called their distributor on another line to make sure the Qs were still active, which they were.
After I got off the phone I discovered the Qs were listed, just not where I checked. When you go nokian.com you can make a choice of several languages. I of course selected English. But, you can also select geographic areas. If you select North America, the Qs come up as a choice.
However, before I hung up the tire shop asked me what I thought of the Qs. I gave them my "squishy" comment and we talked about the trade-offs. He then suggested I might be happier swapping the Qs for NRWs. I told him I had used NRWs before on another car and considered getting them for my 2.7t but went with the Q for superior ice and snow performance. We had not had any snow during that time (and still haven't) so I did not think I had had ideal conditions for testing the Qs.
I asked him what the cost would be to swap the Qs for the NRWs. He told me they wanted me (and all their customers) to be happy and the cost would just be whatever the difference in tire price was. We ended the conversation and he told me to call them if I wanted to try the NRWs.
I hemmed and hawed for another day and decided to call them back and accept their offer. They called me back the day after that and told me they had my size in their shop now and to come by whenever was convenient for me. The NRWs were installed last Friday and I have put about 500 miles on them since then.
The NRWs are clearly superior to the Qs when cornering on dry roads. Some of my miles were on wet roads and they performed well. I have not been able to test them on snow or ice yet. If they are anything like the NRWs I used a few years ago, they will be fine in those conditions.
Since I live in the metro area rather than out-state Minnesota, most of my winter miles are on dry roads, or at least not ice and snow covered roads. I am comfortable with the decision to swap to the NRWs, and realize that several days a winter I would be better off with the Hakka Qs. The NRWs will be much better than the Michelin All Seasons on those days, and not much worse than the MXM4s on the best winter days.
I am grateful my tire shop suggested the swap, and they did so for no cost, not even for the additional mounting and balancing. When I first checked into getting winter tires I was leaning toward buying the tires online and having them mounted locally. I ended up buying locally because the price premium was not significant. It is unlikely I could have ended up with the NRWs for the same financial terms had I bought them online. Guess which place will be at the top of my list for my next set of tires?
Dec 19, 2002 (9:36 pm)
I would guess the local place - care to divulge the name? I'll need new tires in the spring, and would like to check them out. Thanks,
Dec 20, 2002 (3:56 am)
For anyone wanting info check out WWW.ross-tech.com. I bought a vag-com from them and have had no problems setting my own options on my A6 and will use it on my soon to be A4. Also, check out www.audiworld.com where you can search for info under "codes". The audiworld website has THE most knowedgable folks on Audi's around. (Even more than here:)) Hope this helps
Dec 20, 2002 (8:36 am)
I would be happy to tell you the name of the tire shop I dealt with. It is Norm's Tire in Little Canada, so it is on the other side of town from you (just like Carousel is on the other side of town for me). I knew of them before, but didn't call them until I did a search for local shops with the Hunter GSP9700 balancer. They were the closest tire shop; the other locations were car dealers.
Originally I was going to buy the tires online and then take the tires to them and have them mounted on my factory wheels. Then I saw their name listed on the Nokian tire web site and I called them back to ask for a quote. The price of the tires was a little higher than the best price I had gotten out of state, but the charge to mount and balance the tires was lower if I bought the tires through them. The net effect of tires, shipping, sales tax, mounting and balancing was probably a 2-3 % adder to get them at Norm's.
At that time I had no expectations of swapping the tires for a different set, but I've learned from past experiences that a 2-3% adder can eliminate all sort of finger pointing and hassles when something pops up. Plus, I do like to keep local business - especially family owned businesses - going.
In the past I have bought my Nokia(n) tires from Twin City Tires. I met Jim Miller many years ago and liked dealing with him. Then they moved and I moved and they had the highest price so I decided to try out Norm's. Norm's Tires is full of helpful, friendly people and they were interested in my satisfaction. I was talking to my neighbor over the weekend and he had a similar good experience with Norm's a few years ago when he bought a set of tires online. He intends to buy through them next time he needs tires. Besides, they also sponsor Gopher hockey!
#3512 of 6921 driver / owner selectable options . . .
Dec 20, 2002 (9:12 am)
From Mark C - "Pretty soon it will be more cost effective to put every option available on every Audi and only charge for them when and if they are activated. [ . . stuff deleted]
IBM has started this with their computers, the CPU clock cycle is X when you buy the computer then if you need 2X you call them and they give you the secret code and you pay them -- but the extra horsepower was there all along."
IBM has actually been doing something very similar since my IBM Mainframe days - in the 1970s.
And I agree completely that manufacturers ought to initiate this for a vast number of selectable features. It seems reasonable to me to allow behaviors such as these to be driver selectable – and stored as profile(s) in case another driver (service tech.) changes them. A couple of Tip. items come immediately to mind:
At engine red line: 1.) automatically upshift or 2.) bounce off rev. limiter.
For forward motion of Tiptronic shift lever: 1.) upshift (current default) or 2.) downshift (like BMW and others)
I suspect that this could become a selling point for the first manufacturer that implements it – and markets it!
Just my $.03 worth – adjusted upward for years of inflation,
Who was always impressed with IBM hardware - from a maintenance and reliability standpoint . . .
Dec 21, 2002 (11:34 am)
I have a 2003 A6 3.0 and I've had the vehicle programmed for the auto locking and windows up/down feature 3 times now and it still doesn't work. Each time they program it with a different code, the feature would work for a few days and then stop. For some reason the module won't hold the codes and the service manager thinks it's a code problem, since he replaced the locking module. The dealer in Scottsdale, AZ says they don't have the codes for 2003 models yet and don't have any idea when they'll receive it from Audi. Audi advocates have been disappointing on this issue. It's pretty frustrating to say the least. Now, I'm having problems with the keyless entry. I tried resetting the master key, following the instructions in the manual, but to no avail...damn, thing still doesn't work. Well, gonna have to bring my car in for the fifth time now (I took delivery in October).
Dec 22, 2002 (8:14 am)
Thanks for the info on Norm's. Seems like a real good choice. Plus anybody that sponsors Gophers hockey (a longtime season ticket holder and fan here) is deserving of my future business.
I'll be interested in knowing how you like the new Nokians when we get our first real snowstorm.
#3515 of 6921 "Second Tier No Longer"
Dec 22, 2002 (2:25 pm)
Check out Edmunds just published follow-up road test of the A6 3.0 -- you can get to it via the Helpful Links box on the left side of this page.
#3516 of 6921 Norm's Tire of Little Canada....
Dec 23, 2002 (10:15 am)
Norm's Tire is just down Rice St. from my office.I'm in the market for a new set of all-season radials. I haven't dealt with them before-do you like them compared to the major chain tire stores,etc?