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#3131 of 6921 Manual transmissions in Audi's RIP
Aug 20, 2002 (9:47 am)
Here is what I think is happening:
1. the TT will have an automatic in it in the 2003 model year, I heard if you got the 180HP model that it will "soon" only come in auto
2. the base A6 has lost the manual, the 4.2 never had it, ditto S6, and most of the 2.7T's by far have been autos (ditto the allroad)
3. on the dealer's lot, about 2/3 of the A4's are auto
4. the CVT will soon be ready for quattro
5. the 6spd tip, which I am led to believe will "convert" even a die hard like me, is coming soon across the line
6. the RS6 and S8 -- only automatics
7. the new A4 Cab -- auto only
8. CVT and new 6spd conventional automatic will be "enough" to certify for US, why bother with manual.
9. new W8 Passat will soon (2003 model) be avail with 6spd manual and sport suspension.
Conclusion (my opinion): perhaps while not withdrawn from the market entirely, the manual transmission Audis will (are) become (ing) an increasingly smaller percentage of the total sold (according to my dealer) and therefore will be "THE" special order cars, discounts will be more rare on the manuals, and trade in values will be eroded. Result: we consumers won't want to order our cars "special" pay more than an identical one that is on the lot but that has an auto, have the residual value of the manual Audi erode faster than the auto, and probably have less aggressive lease rates for the manual transmission cars.
I don't like it, not at all -- but ditto the above for BMW and Mercedes (heck Mercs are probably pretty darn close to 100% automatic already). There are NO 7 series BMW's with sticks and it is hard to come by a 5 series with one (even though like the A6 2.7T, there are BMW 5 series with stick shifts "on the lot.").
VW -- virtually all VW's do come with sticks -- so for now Audi will go after the sporty crowd who apparently are plunking down in increasing numbers, money for automatic Audis far more than they are for the stick shift versions. The argument of the sportier automatic is gaining some believers through the inclusion of the manu-matic transmissions that have become the virtual standard since calendar year 1997.
Heck, I even bought my A6's with automatics, because I wanted the 4.2 package -- the automatic, which I did not want, came along for the ride.
Hopefully I can keep the allroad for at least 36 months (which is my plan), for I fear that even the mighty S4 which may be initially offered with a stick shift -- will change to all auto (like the S6) due to lack of interest in a stick shift version.
#3132 of 6921 lodging a lemon complaint
Aug 20, 2002 (1:54 pm)
Is anyone familiar with Audi's dispute resolution mechanism for lodging a complaint?? I called Audi customer service and they said I have to submit in writing a complaint to Audi North America but I have no idea what they want me to write. Is this the time I get lawyers involved or it after this step? Also, earlier I received some responses telling me to contact the regional Audi rep. Could someone please give me this number. My manuals are in the car, which by the way, is still in the shop I would ask my dealer for the number but he couldn't even give me the correct number for Audi customer relations. Thanks in advance!!
Aug 20, 2002 (3:43 pm)
Your erudition and well laid out presentation on all things Audi cannot be impugned. Ironic, isn't it, that manual Audis would in a future world command a premium when AUTOMATICS were once the feature costing an additional four-figures!?! However, manuals may be subject to a "dead-cat bounce" as several noteable automakers have been rushing them to market; To mind come Lexus IS300, MB C240. I agree and lament with you whole-heartedly: technology may very well render the ubiquity of manuals obsolete. Thanks.
#3135 of 6921 2003 A6 3.0 quattro is cheaper than 2002 model
Aug 22, 2002 (4:29 am)
When I shopping for A6 3.0 quatro it turned out that the price was cut for the new model. Here are the MSRPs (in CAD)
2002 base model 54,235
ski sack 250
heated rear seats 250
PPD: auto dimming mirror w compass, auto dimming exterior mirrors, homelink, seats memory
PCC: leather upholstery, glass sunroof
PPX: xenon lights, multifunction steering wheel, parctronic
2003 Model (incl. leather int.) 54,640
PPY: glass sunroof, xenon lights, multifunction steering wheel, homelink, seats memory, autodimming mirrors (interior and exterior)
PCW: heated rear seats, ski sac.
So the only difference between the two models is the Parctronic (500 CAD)
The difference is 1560$. Is there any catch?
#3136 of 6921 Depreciation.....Audi Style
Aug 22, 2002 (6:56 am)
I bought '00 2.7T new for $42,500. I just checked the edmunds pricing formula and my car is now worth $28,167.00 as a trade-in to the dealer on something else.
This is a $14,333 depreciation over 2 years and 35,000 miles. The car has "devalued" 41 cents/mile for the last 2 years!
Assuming I put on another 15,000 miles before the warranty is out next July, using this formula the car will be worth about $22,017 at that time.
I'm also assuming that the rate of depreciation slows somewhat after the 3 rd year of ownership, even so , markcincinnati does make a good case for leasing versus buying after looking at these figures!
Aug 22, 2002 (9:33 am)
I did buy in cash one brand new Audi -- a 1987 5000CS turbo quattro. I have leased the other 2 dozen odd Audi's and 1 BMW and 2 VW's -- my only reason, aside from my CPA telling me to rent what depreciates and buy what appreciates, is that I can't make buying on time work $-wise.
Those that can, I take my hat off to -- I think it is a false economy to buy on time over leasing (unless, perhaps 0% interest is ever offered on an Audi [Ha! -- and pigs will fly, too] uh, er, not likely that is).
#3138 of 6921 The Manual is dead Long live the Manual
Aug 22, 2002 (9:58 am)
I agree with you Mark that manuals are a dying breed, but the promise of the CVT is something else! It may make you forget the manual, let's not blame this all on the american market, there are only two pedals on the floor in all Formula One cars and the Audi R8. In the Porsche club events the tiptronic (steeringwheel mounted shift button cars) are the continually the fastest around the track. While, I agree that having to coordinate hand and foot to execute that perfect "snick" as you shift, is an excellent feeling, technology is passing us by!
Anyway, that is what Miata's are for, a nice manual roadster to through around!!
Aug 22, 2002 (10:06 am)
So you're saying it is better to pay cash than lease? How so? You'll still take the same depreciation hit if you want to get rid of the car, there is just no worry about being upside down on your trade. But leasing is definitely better than taking a loan out and making monthly payments...I agree.
Buy what appreciates and rent everything else... Logic dictates I do this, but real estate prices in NYC combined with my meager starting salaries on or near the bottom of the totem pole since I graduated college 4 years ago has forced me to do the opposite. I rent my apartment and just bought a leftover 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH at the end of April. I paid cash for the car. For what the car cost, would be a good start for a down payment on a condo around here.
Once I start making more money and buy a place of my own, I will start to lease cars.
Aug 22, 2002 (10:33 am)
I was in same boat you were. I'm out of school now 10 yrs and bot my co-op 6 yrs ago. At the time I was renting and owned a car; I switched to leasing to free up funds. Another point to remember is that owning what appreciates (real estate) is also tax deductible (if you have a mortgage); whereas car payments are not. I think the point is that whenever you're borrowing capital and paying interest (without a tax benefit) it makes sense to buy if you can. I'm now in the awkward position of being in a lease 15k/yr where I know I will exceed both the warranty and mileage allowance (I can hear Mark cringe (is cringing audible?) since I know he has advised about never keeping these things past warranty). Problem is that I had only been driving 10k/yr but due to some changes in lifestyle I'm putting more miles on now. Maybe I should blame Audi for building such excellent cars. Point: None really. However, I may consider buying my next Audi to avoid the whole mileage stress.