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Audi A6, Sedan
Dec 05, 2001 (7:13 am)
In Illinois (11/21) I received lease quotes for both the A6 4.2 and the 540i. Audi is calling it at 54% residual at 39 months and BMW at 60% at 36 months.
I believe BMW may be subsidizing since the model is in its last year of the cycle. The CNN comments apply to the 98 A6 which was the 2.8 derivative, prior to the release of the 2.7T and the 4.2 and, subsequently, the 3.0.
All cars have seen much more aggressive depreciation since many leasing companies went belly up by fabricating high residuals in 1996-1999.
Dec 06, 2001 (2:59 pm)
The residual a BMW 36 months vs the Audi at 39 months -- 60% and 54% -- I wonder what they would be at the same term? These differences do not seem to really clearly favor one over the other.
Financing arms and institutions have been burned and as noted have changed the depreciation numbers to reflect reality more closely.
Cars depreciate -- and depreciation rates (real rates) are known after the fact (kind of like the recession "leading and trailing" indicators). BMW 7 series have (historically/generally, but not every single model year) depreciated very rapidly. From time to time, Porches retain their value, but watch out, the Boxster has had its good and bad years, too. Corvettes, etc.
Cars, for most of us, are RAPIDLY depreciating assets -- sometimes they depreciate so quickly they appear to be more like just plain old expenses. Buy/lease the car that you enjoy -- trying to determine which is "the car for you" (based on depreciation) is like trying to time the stock market -- good luck.
I still love my A6 4.2 -- but then again I am leasing. I am not worried about trade in value. I know these things (cars) lose value [rapidly]. They, so far, have remained great performers, safe and fun. Jay Leno invests in cars -- I wish I could.
#2163 of 6921 BMW vs. AUDI redux
Dec 10, 2001 (3:29 pm)
Several people posted the following comparisons earlier this year. I compiled them and numbered them. The typos are not mine! The list may be outdated for 2002 models.
Hope this helps someone decide one way or the other.
1) If the lights are on (running/headlights) the BMW's windshield washing system automatically gushes the headlights, your hood, and bumper with windshield fluid. What happens when you just want to clean your windshield only at night? You can't unless you turn off the lights completely. When the headlight washer system is activated it sprays windshield washer fluid all over the front of the car, it really makes a mess.
The Audi- Push the stalk once to spray the windshield, hold the stalk down longer for the headlights.
2) The Audi's stereo system works without the key being inserted in the ignition. After about 1.5 hours the radio automatically shuts off to prevent the battery from going dead. Advantage Audi.
3) Audi's interior lights can be programmed to work independently. If you only want the rear interior lights to go on when you open the doors you can do that. The BMW is everything or nothing.
4) The Audi has a hook that holds the panel up on the spare tire compartment. That makes using the spare a lot easier. The BMW? You have to hold the panel with one hand while you try to remove the spare tire with the other, good luck. Advantage Audi.
5) The BMW's Folding rear seats can only be operated from the trunk. The Audi's from within the cabin. What happens when it's pouring rain outside (like today) and your umbrella is in the trunk. You guessed it. In the BMW you would have to get out of your car, get soaked, and open the trunk. In the Audi you just pull the seat lever (lockable), Fold down the rear seat, reach into the trunk and grab your umbrella, All while remaining dry inside your car. Advantage Audi.
6) Audi's AWD systems have a real lowered sports suspension. BMW's AWD suspension is jacked up even higher than the normal suspension. Giving it that Riding on stilts look. Advantage Audi.
7) Audi's rear power window switches are illuminated. BMW Nope. Advantage Audi
8) Audi has a light on the bottom rear portion of all doors. When the door is open you see the light from a distance. The 5 series has it but the 3 series doesn't.
9) Minor- the Audi's trunk unlocks with the driver's door. I find myself always having to push the trunk release on the BMW a lot because it only unlocks the trunk when all doors are unlocked. Advantage Tie
10) Center rear seatbelt- The Audi's center rear seat seatbelt is a shoulder belt with a retracting roll. The BMW has an airline style non-retracting lap belt in the center rear position. This makes a huge difference in installing a child seat in that position (universally considered the safest position for a child seat). Advantage- Audi
11) Interior lighting fixtures- The Audi has nicely designed interior lighting fixtures while the BMW has what amounts to a bare flashlight bulb in front of a crinkled plastic background. Advantage- Audi
12) Moonroof switch - Glitches aside, the Audi has a clever dial control that enables you to, with one touch, dial up the amount of "open" you want.
13) Real aluminium interior trim
14) Far stronger/better quality door hinges than BMWs high modulous plastic (black piece)
15) Nice chrome plated trunk hooks.
16) Includes free trunk net
17) Includes first aid kit and emerg. triangles headliner handles on driver side and passenger side (missing on BMW coupes) -but BMW's get nice rechargeable flashlight
17) New Symphony indash CD-changer/cassette unit standard
18) Thick sport steering wheel as a factory build option
19) Security alarm standard
20) The Audi has this mini sun visor above the rear view mirror that blocks the sun in the gap between the rear view mirror and the top of the windshield. Sure, it's a little thing, but it really impressed me in terms of how thorough Audi was in designing that car.
Dec 13, 2001 (5:25 am)
Hi, y'all. Can somebody help me? I'm in contract with a dealer for an '02 2.7T 6M. Problem is, I wanted the sport package and there is none available in the NY-NJ-CT tri-state area. He has one with 17" wheels, and that's it. No sport suspension, front sport seats, etc. He'll reduce the cost by about 600 bucks. Should I put in an order and get it in March, or settle for what he's got. What do you think? Will appreciate any response. Thank you. Mario
#2165 of 6921 Mario, how long are you going to keep it?
Dec 13, 2001 (11:56 am)
If you plan on keeping your 2.7T at least 30 months, I'd order one the exact way you wanted it, if I were you.
I have had an A6 first without the sport package -- a 2000 then with it -- a 2001 (and my 2000 had the 17" wheels). The sport package is worth the wait.
Dec 13, 2001 (1:49 pm)
I probably will keep it for only 39 months (the period of the lease), and then move up to the A8 which was my original dream car. I just need one car to enjoy while Audi is developing the next generation A8. I'm definitely giving it up at the end of the term, or I'll get another one, depending on what's available at that time. The current model and style is getting stale, and I'm kinda hoping they'll spruce it up to keep it fresh and aggressive looking. I appreciate your input, especially since you are the recognized expert on the subject in these parts. Best regards. Mario
#2167 of 6921 Sport package.
Dec 13, 2001 (3:14 pm)
Hard to believe there's no sport package equipped A6 in the tri-state area. I'd want to drive and sit in one before ordering. My 2.7T doesn't have a sport package. Wish it had the suspension, but I don't fit the sports seats. Audi has also changed the suspension between '01 and '02, and I've read reports that both the standard and sport suspensions are a little stiffer than they were. I'd suggest that even if you can't find a 6-speed with sport before ordering that you test drive at least a tip with the sport suspension and seats.
Dec 13, 2001 (3:16 pm)
A friend of mine said "I am often wrong, but never unsure of myself." So I am sure of what I think and sure of its applicability to me -- but that doesn't mean I am right.
Today, based on what is available in the US, I would acquire a mostly maxed out 2.7T with a 6spd. As much as I love my 4.2, I really miss the manual transmission, in spite of the fact that the 4.2 does feel different than a 2.7 -- for 2002, the 2.7T's chassis has been stiffened, the sound deadening improved, an "improved" sport suspension offered, the cool looking twin tail pipes extended through the lower lip of the rear bumber, the front brakes improved, and a host of other subtle improvements -- and a stir your own transmission.
I can only assume further improvements in the breed will arrive for the 2003 model year (A6) which is probably what I will get, but not before I test drive a new generation S4, if such a puppy is available by then. Having had an A8, I can tell you it is (was) a wonderful car, but I want a bit more involvement when I drive, hence my mild regret at getting another 4.2 (which I am sure you know is auto only). The emphasis is on the word mild, BTW.
Anyway, even the S6, if it is only an automatic, would probably not get my attention, unless the automatic is that new and reportedly marvelous 6 spd tip (which I hear will be the transmission in the next generation -- to make it stateside -- A8, A8L and S8).
So, my itch to switch (my own gears) is, at this moment in time, my prime motivator, assuming that the car has plenty of "grunt" -- which I am sure you know, the 2.7T has -- especially when equipped with the 6spd manual.
#2169 of 6921 Tried the A6 stick with sports package
Dec 13, 2001 (7:13 pm)
And darn, I was more convinced to get a 6-speed with the sports package. I forgot to say that they did not have one in the color I wanted, the new crystal blue metallic. They had one in silver, with all the options I wanted, including sports, and I'm now in a quandary if I should wait 3 months or settle for what is available now. I'm not in any hurry, but that car on the lot seems to beckon. I'm reminded of the sirens in Greek mythology, calling to the sailors to come nearer, only to find themselves in disastrous situation. Decisions, decisions, decisions. BTW, the dealer is offering less than 600/month for 39 months, with 1500 and the taxes down.
#2170 of 6921 Marios's Epic decision
Dec 14, 2001 (10:55 am)
Since we are delving into Epic mythology, it would appear that Mario has two choices: lash yourself to the mast, or fill your ears with wax. Neither would seem to be very palatable. Consequently, allow me to suggest an alternative:
I am a believer in following the dictates of your heart when it comes to emotional purchases. Accordingly, if you want crystal blue, wait for it. As regards silver: I am biased and, therefore, not a reliable source of opinion: we recently took delivery of our first silver A6.
Of course, we could consult Homer; that, however, would require a seance.
Good luck with your purchase; we should all be so fortunate to be faced with such a dilemma.