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You are in the Audi A6 Forum.What is this discussion about? Audi A6, Sedan
#1762 of 6920 Audi/VW Platforms by timcar
Aug 28, 2001 (10:55 am)
Jared, here's a complete list of Audi platforms from Audi AG. The W8 does ride on a DIFFERENT larger platform than other Passats, the same one used for the A6. I'd forgotten about this until I got a recent issue of Auto Week, noticed the car looked bigger and longer. I discounted it until I looked up this table again, and apparently, it is bigger and longer. The same photo's are on Auto Week's website, see what you think.Audi Chassis Platforms
A0 Platform
FWD:
Audi A2 (2000-Current)
(Relatives: VW Polo, Seat Ibiza & Cordoba, Skoda Fabia)
A Platform
FWD:
Audi 50 (A01 typ 86) [1975-1978]
Audi A3 (A4 typ 8L) [1996-Current]
Audi TT Coupe (A4 typ 8N) [1998-Current]
Audi TT Roadster (A4 typ 8N) [1999-Current]
AWD:
Audi A3 (A4 typ 8L) [1996-Current]
Audi TT Coupe (A4 typ 8N) [1998-Current]
Audi TT Roadster (A4 typ 8N) [1999-Current]
Audi S3 (A4 typ 8L) [1999-Current)
(Relatives: VW Golf, Jetta/Bora, Golf Van, Seat Leon, Skoda Octavia)
B Platform
FWD:
Audi 80 (B1 typ 82/33) [1973-1976]
Audi 80 (B1 typ 82/33) [1977-1978]
Audi 80 (B2 typ 81) [1979-1984]
Audi Coupe (B2 typ 81) [1981-1984]
Audi 80 (B2 typ 81) [1985-1987]
Audi 90 (B2 typ 81) [1985-1987]
Audi Coupe (B2 typ 85) [1985-1988]
Audi 80 (B3 typ 89/8A) [1987-1992]
Audi 90 (B3 typ 89/8A) [1987-1992]
Audi Coupe (B3 typ 8B) [1989-1996]
Audi Cabrio (B4 typ 8G) [1991-2000]
Audi S2 (B3 typ 8B) [1993-1996]
Audi 80 (B4 typ 8C) [1992-1995]
Audi A4 (B5 typ 8D) [1995-2001]
Audi A4 (B6) [2002-Future]
AWD:
Audi Quattro (B2 typ 85) [1981-1991]
Audi 80 Quattro (B2 typ 81) [1983-1984]
Audi Sport Quattro (B2 typ 85) [1984-1987]
Audi 80 Quattro (B2 typ 81) [1985-1987]
Audi 90 Quattro (B2 typ 81) [1985-1987]
Audi Coupe Quattro (B2 typ 85) [1985-1988]
Audi 80 Quattro (B3 typ 89/8A) [1987-1992]
Audi 90 Quattro (B3 typ 89/8A) [1987-1992]
Audi Coupe Quattro (B3 typ 8B) [1988-1996]
Audi S2 Quattro (B3 typ 8B) [1992-1996]
Audi 80 Quattro (B4 typ 8C) [1992-1995]
Audi RS2 (B4 typ 8C) [1994-1996]
Audi A4 Quattro (B5 typ 8D) [1995-2000]
Audi S4 Quattro (B5 typ 8D) [1998-2000]
Audi RS4 Quattro (B5 typ 8D) [2001]
Audi A4 (B6) [2002-Future]
(Relatives: VW Passat, Sharan, Skoda Montreux)
C Platform
FWD:
Audi 100 (C1) [1969-1976]
Audi 100S Coupe [1969-1976]
Audi 100 (C2 typ 43) [1976-1982]
Audi 200 (C2 typ 43) [1980-1984]
Audi 100 (C3 typ 44) [1983-1988]
Audi 200 (C3 typ 44) [1985-1988]
Audi 100 (C3 typ 44) [1988-1991]
Audi 200 (C3 typ 44) [1988-1991]
Audi 100 (C4 typ 4A) [1992-1994]
Audi A6 (C4 typ 4A) [1995-1997]
Audi A6 (C5 typ 4B) [1998-Current]
AWD:
Audi 100 Quattro (C3 typ 44) [1985-1988]
Audi 200 Quattro (C3 typ 44) [1985-1988]
Audi 100 Quattro (C3 typ 44) [1988-1990]
Audi 200 Quattro (C3 typ 44) [1988-1991]
Audi 100 Quattro (C4 typ 4A) [1992-1994]
Audi S4 Quattro (C4 typ 4A) [1992-1994]
Audi A6 Quattro (C4 typ 4A) [1995-1997]
Audi S6 Quattro (C4 typ 4A) [1995-1997]
Audi A6 Quattro (C5 typ 4B) [1998-Current]
Audi Allroad Quattro (C5 typ 4B?) [2001-Current]
(Relatives: VW Passat W8, Colorado-SUV)
D Platform
FWD:
Audi A8 (D2 typ 4D) [1994-1998]
Audi A8 (D2 typ 4D) [1998-Current]
AWD:
Audi V8 (D11 typ 44/4C) [1989-1994]
Audi V8L (D11 typ 4C) [1990-1994]
Audi A8 Quattro (D2 typ 4D) [1994-1998]
Audi A8 Quattro (D2 typ 4D) [1998-Current]
Audi S8 Quattro (D2 typ 4D) [1997-Current]
(Relatives: VW D1, Bentley MSB, Lamborghini V8)
E Platform
Audi A8 W12 LWB (Future)
(Relatives: VW D1 V10 TDI, D1 W12, Bentley Azure, Continental Coupe, Red Label, Lamborghini V12 - Diablo II, Bugatti W16 Veyron)
#1763 of 6920 Huh? Redux by markcincinnati
Aug 28, 2001 (11:04 am)
The Passats that are currently "in stock"
VW dealerships are 2001.5's, correct? If the answer is yes, then now I have a "Huh?" "There's little outward difference between the 2001 and 2001.5 Passats," is not my impression. While I might not be able to tell the difference between some of the earlier model year's of Passats (year over year) -- the 2001.5 Passat looks a whole bunch different to me, different front end, different tail lights -- body parts, while similar are clearly (to my eye) different for the 2001.5 VW. I thought the C&D article (a "short take") said that there were very few body panels carried over into the 2001.5 Passat -- which was the "prerequisite" move prior to the 2002 Passats (which I interpreted to mean would look more like a 2001.5 than earlier models). Like it or not (and I do like the looks of it) the 2001.5 VW Passat is distinctly different looking than it's "parents." But, it is from the same family I agree.
On the B platform , C platform stuff, will someone clarify the dimensional differences that have been presented.
IMO the size of the cars, wheelbase-wise is from shortest to longest (in the Audi/VW family):
A3/Golf/TT/New Beetle, Jetta, A4, Passat [ersatz A5] A6, A8 (I know this is not an all-inclusive list). So, my impression was/is that the Passat was a somewhat larger A4 (which is also why I find the Passat is more often compared to the A4 both on this BB and by my friends and co-workers).
Thanks for the clarification.
#1764 of 6920 Thanks: Audi/VW Platforms by timcar by markcincinnati
Aug 28, 2001 (11:10 am)
So the current, today, Passat IS not the same size as the A6, which is what "we" thought all along.And the Passat W8 will be the "same wheelbase" as the current A6 is what I took away from the list.
Thanks for the information timcar.
Mark
#1765 of 6920 Audi/ VW by bjbird2
Aug 28, 2001 (11:29 am)
This website will tell you everything you want to know about the W8, including pictures, and also information on some of the new Audis.www.vwvortex.com
#1766 of 6920 bjbird2 ? by markcincinnati
Aug 28, 2001 (11:38 am)
Perhaps I have been assuming too much. Are you looking at purchasing or leasing either a 2002 Audi A6 3.0 versus a 2002 VW New Passat W8? Is this the dilemma you have been pondering and discussing with us on this BB?Or, have you been looking at a 2001.5 V6 4Motion Passat versus a 2001 Audi A6 2.8 quattro?
Or something else in the VW/Audi family entirely? Such as a 2002 A6 2.7T vs a 2002 Passat W8 or something that would be closer in horsepower for example (250 for the Audi and 270 for the Passat W8 as I recall).
Just curious.
#1767 of 6920 Thanks to bjbird2. by timcar
Aug 28, 2001 (12:18 pm)
For the link to VWVortex with the link to VW o A.The current Passat rides on a platform with a wheelbase of 106.4", track 59'6". A6 rides on one with a platform of 108.7" wheelbase and 60.6" track. So, it looks like the W8 will have a track a couple inches longer. With that W8 engine, it should be pretty potent, but since VW AG wants to differentiate the VW and Audi products based on sportiness, it probably won't be quite as sporty as some of the Audi sport package variants.
#1768 of 6920 Smwls8/loaners; VW-Audi by bertram60
Aug 28, 2001 (2:40 pm)
SMWLS8I deal with Champion all the time, as a matter of fact I travel 40 minutes just to deal with them, and have never had anything bad to say. They have recently increased the frequency that they provide loaners (A4's via Enterprise) to me and have always been willing to drive me where I needed to be and/or have a shuttle system for local customers. I'm not getting S4's or A6's, but I have always been offered a car whenever I needed to leave the car overnight. Two years ago this was a different story and loaners were not something I saw much of, but that has all changed.
BTW- Mercedes loaner program, while part of their service plan, is ultimately at the dealer's discretion. Some dealers loan like for like, others (like mine) have rental agencies within the dealership. I'm always stuck with smelly OldsmoBuicks. I like the people at my Audi dealer a lot more than my Mercedes dealer.
VW vs. Audi:
As a VW to Audi graduate, I do agree they are related, but I think there is more to an Audi. Some if it is measurable, in options, features and materials, but some is as everyone says, just in the way it feels. To ask for a definition is like asking why I like Chocolate Chip Ice Cream more than Cookies and Cream, and why I think Ben and Jerry's is better than ACME brand offered at 1/4 of the price. I think it is.
Having said that, there are some features on the new Passat that I wish were on my Audi. Rotate the mirror control to the 6 o'clock position and the side mirrors fold in. VW used to have the best wiper delay system I've used. Flip the wipers on then off, then back on when you want them to swipe again and it remembered the time between on-off-on. I don't know if Audi ever had this (Mark?) and I don't know why VW stopped using it.
If your trying to justify the new Passat, don't, just buy it, it's a great car offered at a reasonable price. The better question regarding price is why do you like it over, say a V6 Accord. Honda is arguably more reliable than the VW or Audi (yes, my wife had one so I can speak to it's lack of need for maintenance). While 4motion is a great feature, is it something you really need? Or what about a V6 Camry? Whatever reason you suggest the VW over any of these is the same reason we all say we like the A6 over the Passat. You can list the physical attributes/features side by side, but at the end of the day, some of them can't be put on a list with a dollar sign next to them.
Call it snob appeal, foolishness, stupidity, marketing, whatever you want, sometimes (if we're lucky enough to have the means) it is just a question of what you like more, and what you are comparing it to (BMW, MB, etc) and therefore is a more reasonable choice. I personally love the fact that no one really knows what I'm driving sometimes, and love to hear peoples reaction to the car. I made this decision based on what I wanted, not what I needed, and much to my wife's dismay at the time, didn't really care to look for something more "reasonable". I didn't need a reason to buy it or to look for better deal, I had to have it. Now that's not saying I'm an idiot and just payed whatever they wanted, nor to say I didn't look around. The car (Oh I hate to use a cliche) spoke to me, as I said, I had to have it.
You are doing a great job in researching and trying to determine what the appeal and differences are, but if you really have to look that hard, buy the VW, save your money, and have it for later when something else really turns you on.
Good luck.
#1769 of 6920 options by bjbird2
Aug 28, 2001 (4:58 pm)
I'm keeping my options open at this time and getting all the facts. Thanks to everyone on this post for the information and mostly un-biased opinions provided. I may just drive my InfinityJ-30 (subjectivly, a great car) through the winter and check out the W8 in the spring. Then we can start this friendly jousting all over again. Whatever I get, I'm sure it will be in the VW/Audi family.
#1770 of 6920 bj by mmcbride1
Aug 28, 2001 (5:31 pm)
You really can't go wrong with either one. Just pick the one you like the best.#1771 of 6920 A6 Tie Rods by mkn
Aug 28, 2001 (6:01 pm)
Talked to AoA and they said they would try to help. They are contacting the dealer to see if the 'Good Will' option can be pursued. The dealer is working on the car at this point and has given me a quote of around $650 plus tax that includes fixing the tie rods, putting in new mud guards, and giving me an extra master key. I believe the tie rod work is going to cost me around $450 plus tax. AoA called to say that they have left a message with the dealer and that they were waiting to hear from the dealer. I talked to the dealer prior to this and he mentioned that the car should be done in a couple of days. Will keep you posted. Am also getting a complete check up done. I have sort of given them a free hand to fix anything that might be wrong since I do not want to be bothered by trivial stuff every now and then. They would, of course, have to consult me before doing anything, though.Thanks for your input.... Will let you know what AoA offers.
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