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#11 of 6896 Porsche doesn't own VW, VW doesn't own Porsche by bollinger Jul 19, 2000 (7:47 am)
Or more correctly, VAG (Volkswagen Audi Group). I looked into this. F. Piech, the head of VAG is a member of the Porsche family and thus the companies are very tied together. There is probably a very small VAG investment in Porsche with an option to buy the rest in case of distress, simply to ensure Porsche doesn't get bought by someone else (say Ford) without VAG getting a crack at them. So they are independent, although they do work together frequently. Most notably lately with the Audi Quattro (first one), Porsche 924, Tiptronic tranny, and now the W-engines. I'm sure there is a whole lot more stuff I missed too.
#12 of 6896 Porsche and VW, etc. by tubey Jul 19, 2000 (2:43 pm)
You're right, Steve. In fact, I do believe that the 914, 924, and 944 were all built by Audi for Porsche at Neckarsulm. However, since quite a few folks regard that threesome as Porsche's nadir Audi probably doesn't want to brag about it.
#13 of 6896 Porsche and VW by p928gt Jul 19, 2000 (8:50 pm)
Ferdinand Porsche, the father, had 2 children: Ferry and Louise. The father worked on many auto designs for many companies before forming his own design firm. Ferry, his son, went on to start building sports cars in the family name in the late 1940's, while trying to get his father out of a French prison ("war crimes" due to his design of the Panzer tank among other things). The father passed away in 1951. Ferry, the son passed away in the spring or 1998, the 50th anniversary of the Porsche Comapny. The daughter married a Dr. Peich. A son of theirs worked for Porsche then on to Audi. Eventually, he came to headup Volkswagen, where he is today. I believe that VW owns Audi. However, Porsche is an independent firm. In the past Porsche has joined with VW and Audi to import and sell their vehicles in the U.S. During the Porsche 928 development, an Audi was used as a test mule, but the 928 was always going to be a Porsche.
#14 of 6896 2.7T Convert by david147 Jul 20, 2000 (1:11 am)
I have had my 2000 2.7t now for almost two months. Best car I have ever owned and best car I have ever driven. A great value for the purchase price money, and a great lease deal on top of that. I initially wanted a BMW528, but could not get past the salesman's inability to deal at any level. I have driven BMW528 rentals in Germany on business, and can report that the performance only seems to come at at higher revs. The 2.7t pull is right there at 2000 rpm already. I have had none of the problems referenced on this board. The wind noise at speed is at a very low level. The BMWs were not any better (or worse). I did buy black exterior and it looks great when clean, not so good when dirty, and it dirties up early. It will need a weekly wash to continue to look good.
#15 of 6896 Help please!! by shiftod Jul 20, 2000 (3:52 am)
I purchased a 2000 A6 2.8Q in black about two months ago. I noticed after a week that there was a swirl on the front hood...my guess was some bad wax or something. But I couldn't get it off with a sponge and car soap. I took it back to the dealer and after some messin' around they applied some wax over it and covered it up. However a couple of weeks later after a wash and rain, the swirl is back again. And I have no idea how to remove it. Please tell me what this is, if it's a serious problem, and how I can fix it. Is it a wax problem? Or did the dealer screw up with some kind of cleaner and run the clearcoat cover? Anyway, it's really annoying, this big circular smudge the size of a basketball on my hood. I'm going to take it back to the dealer, but please give me advice on what it is so that it doesn't get worse. Thanks a bunch guys, and just want to say I love this car...
#16 of 6896 swirl marks are a fact of life on dark-colored cars by bollinger Jul 20, 2000 (5:15 am)
You can remove them by polishing them. But then you are removing the clear coat down to the level of the scratches. And they will happen again anyway. They pretty much appear for exactly the reason you think they do. Someone rubbed a rough rag or one with grit in it on your car. It may have always been there even. Just keep your car waxed. Some report that Zaino Z5 can remove them without removing finish. I don't know anything about that. Check out www.zainobros.com. Even if this works, they will still reappear.
#17 of 6896 just wondering.... by shiftod Jul 20, 2000 (7:40 am)
just to clarify...it's like a cloudy swirl...doesn't look like a scratch, never had anything like this on my other black car...hope it's something I can rectify!!!
#18 of 6896 shiftod by mpuzach Jul 20, 2000 (4:30 pm)
These things are pretty difficult to describe. Sometimes a photo can be more helpful to people who can offer suggestions. You might try this: 1. Take a good photo of the affected area. 2. Go to http://www.audiworld.com 3. Select the A6 (or any other, for that matter) forum. 4. Post a description of the problem as well as the photo. My hunch is that you'll get plenty of responses, and some useful solutions.
#19 of 6896 swirls by david147 Jul 21, 2000 (3:06 am)
I noticed a slight swirl when I rubbed too hard to take off a splotch of bird dirton my black clearcoat finish (hood). The car had been recently waxed, and when I locally rewaxed (Zymol), the swirl went away, and has not yet reappeared.
#20 of 6896 . by ferarri11 Jul 21, 2000 (4:40 am)
i guess dark colors are hardest to clean...i still think silver is the best color for audis, and they hide dirt real well, and arent a pain in the butt to clean.

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