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You are in the Toyota Corolla
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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
Mar 27, 2003 (6:12 am)
Thats exactly what I think.
Kill the stupid Matrix and Echo, give us a real Corolla HB with an sporty version like the FX16, give us a GT-S coupe, an XLE sedan with available NAV, Head Curtains, bigger engine and tires, and switch the S model to an SE, along the lines of the Camry's SE trim level.
Toyota has its head in the sand, and if it doesnt start producing solid performing, interesting, APPEALING products, instead of just solid performing products, its going to end up like Nissan, circa 1996.
Mar 27, 2003 (7:49 am)
I guess this is why they are making Scion.
Mar 27, 2003 (9:21 am)
the Scions are ugly, trendy, underpowered, use the stupid center mounted instrument panel, the list goes on. Toyota doesnt understand that 'different' doenst necessarily mean 'appealing'. One thing the Scions have going for them- decent pricing- but how is that going to benefit Toyota, especially if the things dont sell. Didnt Toyota already try this with the ECHO, anyway?
#2829 of 4027 the stupid center mounted instrument panel
Mar 27, 2003 (9:28 am)
Yes..I agree. But, i guess this design (fault!) is getting more and more use. The new Nissan minivan due out this year also has this. YUK!
#2830 of 4027 stupid Matrix and Echo?
Mar 27, 2003 (10:45 am)
People buy cars for different reasons and have different tastes. Thank God!
I think who bashes other cars just has a different taste when it comes to cars.
An labelling a car stupid is not the brightest idea either. Any more of those intelligent comments you want to share?
Mar 27, 2003 (5:03 pm)
I happen to think the new Echo is cute i just hope that they keep makeing them .
Mar 27, 2003 (6:23 pm)
My intention was not to offend anyone, just stating my personal design thoughts. Also, I think that more than one magazine has commented on the "awkward" positioning of the center speedomoter/guages, causing a longer time for the driver's eyes to look over then back to the road. A possible safety issue. Several car lines now use this feature, the new Mini, a new Saturn model come to mind, so, maybe it's just my personal preference. Again, no offense intended.
#2833 of 4027 redzx3 et al
Mar 27, 2003 (8:53 pm)
I do agree that the newer ECHO is better looking. However, pulgo, from a business standpoint, let me rephrase my comment. I think it is STUPID of Toyota to try the same thing twice- penetrate the "youth" market with "unique" cars. It didnt work well with the ECHO, and its not going to work with SCION. I think its STUPID to build a car for needs which marketing types create, but dont really exist. I am not an expert, and who knows, maybe the bX will be the next titan. But I doubt it. If however, Toyota could extend the Corolla line to appeal to a broader range of audiences (something that WORKED in the 80s), I think they would have a better chance. No, I dont like the Matrix, but at least it is based off that concept.
PS- just as people are allowed to make any vehicle purchase their hearts desire, so am i allowed to call a vehicle stupid.
Mar 27, 2003 (9:41 pm)
the FX-16/GT-S coupe model is already available - it is called the "c-e-l-i-c-a". They were selling tons of celicas when they first came out in 2000, now it is a trickle. I am perfectly serious, this is not a facetious comment - the original GT-S coupes got burned for competing too directly with the celica, and they got nixed because celica had higher sales.
Oh, and by the way, I DO recognize that celica is overpriced in this market, and in its position relative to the "performance" available from regular corollas. They should either option it up for base models or lower the price across the board by 10-15%.
I still like this corolla XLE idea though - a fully loaded model, only option is NAV, and it has to have a little more power than the other corollas. Then it could pull a premium price, like as much as bare-bones camry.
They should make the 'S' into an 'SE' anyway - more than just an appearance package, it should have fatter anti-roll bars and bigger tires, also tighter suspension.
BTW instruments in the center of the dash make things easier for the manufacturer in exporting to countries where the steering wheel is on the other side, because the instruments do not have to be moved.
And I would lay dollars to donuts Scion will ultimately fail, although I think the cars are kind of unique and funky, and I wish they would stick around. If they were serious about differentiating Scion from the rest of the Toyotas, they would have invested in separate dealerships.