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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
Mar 19, 2003 (9:54 pm)
the older carbureted cars have been chased off the roads in the last few years by the big bad smog check - carburetors just were not very good at regulating emissions, fuel injection is much better. Corollas and Tercels began to be fuel-injected right around 1990, with the hotted-up models (GTS) getting FI a couple of years earlier.
If you look carefully, it is the higher end 80s cars that are still around, for all brands...this is because the more expensive cars got fuel injection first...the same is true for Toyota, which was fuel injecting the celica, cressida, and supra in 1983 and the van and all trucks in 1984 and 1985.
Maintaining smog compliance on an older car is like night and day when comparing between carbureted and fuel injected cars.
Mar 20, 2003 (1:39 pm)
Fuel injection is much better for emissions and also for performence and fuel economy. I think all VW's had FI by 1979-80, and I am sure they all did by 1985 when the golf came out. For some reason Honda and Toyota were slow to follow.
#2807 of 4027 in case anyone cares,
Mar 22, 2003 (8:19 am)
I still want Toyota to introuce an XLE Corolla, and want larger engine and a real suspension option for at least the S models (and larger engine standard in my proposed XLE). With Mitsubishi introducing a 160hp Lancer next year, Nissan offering a 165 hp Sentra as well as a mainstream sporty model (SE-R, SPEC V), I see no reason why Toyota cant consider this. As for the XLE model, its time the Jettas has a rival.
I'm also still wondering why Toyota failed to introduced side airbags with head protection with the redesign (though ALL of the Corollas crash test scores are very good).
When I was in the market for a small car some months ago, I was duly impressed by the Corolla, but the S model I would have wanted felt a lot slower than it looked, had those silly side sill extensions, and was only available with every option except the ones I wanted- ABS and side airbags.
IMO if Toyota wants to penetrate the youth market, they need to do it by creating enhanced images for products well respected in other arenas. Anyone remember the Corolla GT-S two doors from the late 80s? Or the FX16 hatchbacks?
Personally, I'd like to see Toyota kill the overpriced ECHO, forget the inevitable failure that will be Scion, and refocus energy on the Corolla line.
#2808 of 4027 overpriced Echo?
Mar 22, 2003 (8:59 am)
I have a 2001 Echo that barely cost 11000. 62k miles so far. No repairs of any type. Only gas, oil and filters. 42MPG average with an automatic and AC running very often. Best car I have ever had! As soon as the new hatchback comes out in June I'll get one as a third car(not vailable in the US). By the way, the Corolla is very nice but not so good on gas, less acceleration and about $ 3000 more. Not economical enough for me with my daily 90 mile commute.
Mar 22, 2003 (11:52 am)
have sold a lot more Echoes if they had brought out a hatchback in the U.S. in the first place.
You got a good deal at $11K CDN for an Echo with auto and A/C! That seems amazing!
dudley - rabbits weren't fuel-injected right? And I know that GTIs were the only fuel-injected golfs when they were introduced in 1983.
OTOH, by 1985, the only non-FI Toyotas were corolla and tercel, which were the two cheapest models, and were cheaper than VW golfs and jettas. The camry had just been introduced at that point, as a little car and hatchback, and it was fuel-injected.
I do agree that Toyota should have brought FI to the remaining two models more quickly than it did.
alpha - I loved that FX16 hatch! If Toyota brought a car like that to market today, I bet it would sell really well.
Of course, if it had to pick between a 2004 FX16 and this corolla XLE that has been proposed, I bet the XLE would sell better. It would have to have more power (the RAV4 engine, maybe?) and a much nicer interior than the LE though. This meaning that they would have to get rid of lots of that hard plastic, and replace it with softer-touch materials like Jetta has. A moonroof should be standard.
Mar 22, 2003 (2:51 pm)
You got a good deal at $11K CDN for an Echo with auto and A/C! That seems amazing!
Too amazing to be true I'm afraid. Either it was not new or pulgo converted his/her price to US$. US$11000 is still pretty amazing for what you get though.
Mar 22, 2003 (3:51 pm)
The RAV4 engine (which is related to the Camry 4cly) is exactly what I was thinking, but I'm sure theres production/logistical issues with introducing a new engine option. In a nutshell, I'd like to see Toyota kill the stupid S model, introduce an SE and XLE 4-door, kill the Echo, and bring back Corolla hatches, to include, of course, an equivalent of the FX16 series, and a strippo VE.
Sorry pulgo, but with decent equipment, like a tach, 15 in. wheels, air, etc., the Echo quickly approaches/exceeds the price of a Corolla CE, which has all those things standard. Plus, the Echo is ugly, and feels like it will flip over in a crosswind (or at least did when I drove a 2001 through NY state last year). I dont know where you are obtaining your acceleration info, but the Corolla seems to be the winner from what I've seen (Car and Driver, 5sp manual models). And the Corolla gets up to what...40 mpg with a stick?... hardly anything to scoff at, even if its worse than Echo. At the very least, if Toyota must continue the Echo, it should be priced against the Accent with which it competes.
#2812 of 4027 alpha01 and others
Mar 22, 2003 (4:54 pm)
I have to clarify my previous statement. I did pay a little over US$ 11000 for my Echo.
I drove the Accent for a few days. In fact I rented a brand new one for a week.
For those who have driven both cars (Echo and Accent), there just is no comparison. The automatic Echo gets better mileage than the manual Accent (combined), due to the better engine and fuel injection technology.
For those who want to spend the minimum possible amount for a car, yes, the Accent is a very good option.
For me there was no doubt whatsoever.
Where I live, we have high winds on an almost daily basis. Yes the car is sensitive to side winds but not that much.
My previous car was a Chevrolet Caprice that was completely immune from high winds so I know the difference.
Have I mentioned that I like the Corolla? Yes I do but my goal was buying a car that would be as inexpensive as possible, give me a very long service with a minimum in maintenance and monthly repairs. So far repairs are 0. Maintenance has been oil changes every 8k miles (synthetic oil), 2 air filters, 1 set of platinum spark plugs, 1 cabin air filter. That's it, not even a light bulb to replace. What more can I wish for?
Well, I would love an Audi A6 with the turbodiesel engine they sell in Germany, but that's another story.
I wish everybody a great weekend and don't be mad with me if I still like my Echo better than other small cars. It's just a matter of personal taste.
Mar 22, 2003 (6:39 pm)
If you love the A-6, the Passat will be available this fall with a 130 hp turbo diesel engine. About 250 lb/ft of torque. A whole lot cheaper than the A-6, and with the fuel economy of an Echo.
#2814 of 4027 Corolla XLE?
Mar 22, 2003 (8:17 pm)
I can't see what benefit there would be to having one available. I mean, Corollas already offer leather, a moonroof, ABS, side airbags, etc., but few are sold that way. I do agree it would be 'nice' to have the option of a bit more power, and a distinctly sporty suspension for the 'S', which currently is just a CE with body stuff, at least in basic trim. I'd like to see the bigger engine and stiffer suspensions as stand-alone options, but I guess that's a bit much to ask for. Strange the Matrix offers both, and AWD, but they're not selling so well, from what I can tell (my local dealer has 49 Corollas on the lot and usually 3-6 Matrix). I'd think it would be easy to offer both on the Corolla, since they're on the same platform. The problem is that if an XLE or upgraded Sport Corolla were offered, they'd be pushing or even exceeding $20k. At that price, they'd have customers looking elsewhere, or at Camrys. Let's not forget that the Corolla's main function is as an economy car. I will concede that the 'premium' small car market is growing (nobody seems to have a problem with $25k Jettas) and the Camry's current porcine dimensions are not for everyone, regardless of how much they want to spend. Camrys are just too big and Buicky for most urban singles, but the Corollas lack the power and some of the amenities some small car buyers want. Maybe another model altogether should be offered? I dunno.
Some changes I'd like to see: offer power windows and keyless on the CE, I'd like both but don't want Grandma's fake wood trim on the LE, nor do I want Junior's ugly tack-on trim of the 'S', and those are the only way I can get them. I would also love to see a two-door Corolla and maybe a hatchback, stealing some more sales from Civic if they offered both. There are plenty of people, younger especially, who don't want a four-door but don't like the Echo and can't afford a Celica or Solara. There's a big gap ($14-18k) a Corolla coupe would fill nicely.