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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
#149 of 4027 liufei and cliffy1
Aug 31, 2000 (2:28 am)
Yes, I realized that. I'm just supprised that they just started selling the totally redesigned Corolla in Europe and Japan while leaving the U.S corolla largely unchanged. Both the European and Japanese Corolla were last redesigned in 1998 (same as the U.S ones). So the current Corolla model only lasted 3 production year over there, while ours will have to soldier on for a total of 5 production year. What's more, the production cost of those new Corolla is actually $580+ CHEAPER than the current Corolla. Wouldn't it make more sense if they just replace the whole current line of the Corollas with the new ones instead of leaving us Americans hanging like this? Recently, there is a sudden surge of a large number of highly capable compact cars on the U.S market. It's no longer the Civic/Corolla rule the compact market any more. First was the Mazda Protege, then the Ford Focus, and then Nissan Sentra, all of them are quite good success stories. Toyota needs to keep on its toes, and the new Corolla they are selling in Europe and Japan will go a long way in bolstering the Corolla's sales figure. Image a Corolla with even more power, roomy like a Protege, and with a price that's even lower than the old ones. That's a winning hand. I really think Toyota should bring that Corolla over here, or at least next year. <sign> fanciful thinking I guess. Maybe I should spend my vacation in Europe and bring a new Corolla back.
Honda is aiming to keep the Civic's price increase to a minimum. It's already the most expensive car in the segment, more increase would be a bad idea. The price increase is a very modest $16.
The styling of the new Civic is very conservative. Not much change at all. Yes I agree totally that the front is an Accord, and the back is the Mitsu Mirage. I think the most comparable compact on the market is the Mazda Protege (probably what Honda used as reference). It adopted the Mazda's opt-space (cab-forward design) to increase the interior room, then offer just enough hp to beat the Protege (115 vs 105, and 127 vs 122). But with the engine power standard already at 125 hp (corolla and Sentra baseline power) and still moving up, it's already a little behind, and when competitiors do their redesign 2 years down the road, it would be hoplessly underpowered.
Honda is a good company. Quite good at engineering. While not having the resource of Toyota to design a full spectrum of good vehicles to meet the market, they do do a good job with the ones they built. And managed to catch up and share the reliability crown with Toyota. They have my full respect as a company that has a solid engineering department and build good cars. But unlike Toyota corp that almost never makes business mistakes, Honda quite a few time let their passion lead to bad finacial decisions (building the costly Acura NSX for example, huge development cost to build a $90,000 immitation Ferrai, who would buy it? That bad move must have hurt!) Honda was in trouble just not too long ago, early 90s, when their net profit was almost 0 (I wonder how much the Acura NSX contributed to that). As many analysts have pointed out, the current heavy reliance on American market (80% of Honda's operation income comes from U.S) is a fatal vulnerability. If economy falls, market shift, Honda would be in a world of hurt. Even now, the 12% and 14% profit drop due to strong yen is exposing just how vulnerable Honda is with it's current set up. Also, Honda's European operation is in the red (I think Honda's never turned a profit in the entire European market). And it's presense in Japan is very small, unlike Toyota (who control the Japanese market), if oversea fails, they have no home to come back to.
Sorry, don't mean to go into too much business. Just some reading when I was researching stock. Anyway, I think it's inevitable that Honda will eventually be bought out. As it is, it's just have too many vulnerable spots, and not big enought to avoid being on somebody's dinner table. It's a good company for sure, good design and good quality, I will miss it. My family owned two Hondas in the past, and they were good cars.
I think if Honda's profit drop low enough, and it comes on the market, Toyota should buy it off right away. First of all, Toyota is the wealthiest of all of the automakers, so can make winning bid. Second, you don't want a competitor like to swallow up Honda and give them a boost in reliability which would errode Toyota's edge.
#150 of 4027 2001 - A Good Buy?
Aug 31, 2000 (3:22 am)
I am looking for a new car. My first. I am new at this but did my research which resulted in a 2000 Corolla. I spoke with at least 7 dealers who told me there were none to be found. I was also told that the options I requested (ABS & Side Airbags) really weren't available even though they are listed as options. One of the dealers had seen one with side airbags in his x years as a salesman. None had seen a Corolla with ABS. I was told that since the Corolla is light, it doesn't really need ABS which is really needed for heavier cars. I was told that since the cage was so safe, the airbags weren't really necessary. In fact, they just plain don't make them. I was also told that they come with air conditioning and automatic transmissions whether you want them or not. (I wanted neither.) They made it sound as if getting the options I wanted would be very difficult. They were all happy to sell me a 2001. I was surprised you did not mention things that changed from 2000 to 2001 that were not improvements. Like: in order to get a clock, you need to buy a $986 air conditioner! Is this insane? Daylight running lights are gone. 60/40 seats are no longer available in anything but the LE model. Dual power mirrors were no longer available. Cruise control is not available on the CE model. And the rear defroster, which should be standard, is an option? The radio is also an extra. ABS brakes are also no longer an option on the CE, but then, they never were. I am very disappointed in Toyota's arrogance. Yes they have a great reliable car, but they certainly aren't doing much else to get customers! I really liked the Focus and may go that route, but am concerned about reliability. Do you have any recommendations?
#151 of 4027 I said it once
Aug 31, 2000 (3:14 pm)
I am glad I got a CE when the CE was a CE.
I just got the 2001 sales lit. and compared it to
the 2000 lit. My 2000 CE is the winner.
Anybody considering a 2001 CE should really
look for a 2000 CE unless they just want a 2001.
Aug 31, 2000 (3:31 pm)
"Corolla reputation that is ingrained in the minds
of most people refers to the models before 2001 andperhaps before 97"
The Corollas of the past were no better than now. It's just that in the "good old days" other brand cars were worse in comaprison. Now, many others have caught up to make it not as special as it used to seem. Basically, the Corolla is a 1993 design in the year 2000-01.
Regarding the buyer not finding a car he wants. dealers will say anything to sell a car such as, "It don't need ABS or side air bags" and "you can't get a 5 speed".
Aug 31, 2000 (4:37 pm)
During my search for my 99 Corolla LE, I have found a few Corolla LE with ABS and side airbags.
I believe I have never seen a Corolla VE with ABS or sideairbags. ABS is even rare on a CE (but there should be 1 or 2, but since they stopped making 2000 several months ago, I don't think your chance of finding one is good). ABS and sideairbags is mostly found on the LE's, and then tend to come together (not one without the other), and tend to come on a LE that's loaded with sunroof and alloy wheels.
So if you are looking for ABS and sideairbag, you probably should look into buying an LE. But again, 2000 corollas are just about all gone now, and you will probably have to settle for a 2001 LE instead. Good luck.
#154 of 4027 Just to add on Wenyue's comment ....
Aug 31, 2000 (7:59 pm)
In 2001, Toyota revamp the Corolla lineup. The VE trim is gone, the CE is basically a replacement for the VE (with 3spd auto standard) and becomes the base(barebone) trim, the LE stays the same, but with less standard and more optional equipment, and the S trim is introduced which I think is positioned between CE and LE.
I had seen a few 2000 Corolla with manual transmission(can't remember CE or LE), but I havent seen the 2001 yet. Same thing can be said with the ABS.
Cliffy probably can explain much better on what available and what's on each trim level.
Toyota dealership's ratings has been near the bottom of the list for sometimes. I guess thats what happen when they know that they will always have buyers for their cars.
#155 of 4027 ABS and side airbags
Aug 31, 2000 (9:50 pm)
My 99 Corolla has both ABS and side airbags. It is an LE with 5sp manual transmission and almost no other optional equipment. Those options were a MUST on my car. If they weren't available on a Corolla I wouldn't have bought one. And saying that Corolla doesn't need ABS because it's light is plain BS. The purpose of ABS is not to let the whels lock up, and it is a lot easier to lock up wheels on a light car than on a heavy one. I think that ABS is really helpful during heavy braking on wet road. In my opinion ABS and side airbags should come standard on all cars.
Jusr my $.02 .
#156 of 4027 The 2001s and ABS
Aug 31, 2000 (10:46 pm)
Liufei is correct about the model line up although the manual transmission is not too difficult to find. Our dealership loaded up on S Models with the 5 speed and the sell pretty well.
ABS is strictly a factory order proposition right now in this region. I don't agree with Toyota's decision on this but I do understand it. They believe there are two reasons to not ship the cars with ABS. The first is that this car is in a very price sensitive segment and anything that contributes to raising the price is going to adversely affect sales.
The other reason has to do with how much people will really benefit from ABS. Cars with ABS have not been shown to have fewer nor less severe collisions. Most people don't use them correctly. When the ABS engages, you feel the brake pedal vibrating and hear a groaning and clicking sound from under the hood. When this happens, people tend to ease off the brake and thereby defeat the who purpose for ABS. Toyota figures that if people are not going to benefit from it, why charge them for and and make it less price competitive.
If you must have ABS, they can be ordered. Most dealers hate factory orders because they are not easy for us. We can do it and if you are patient, the dealers can build your dream car.
Sep 01, 2000 (2:44 am)
Daytime running lights are standard on the 2001 Corolla,I have them. I also have dual power adjusted side view mirrors. Don't believe all that B.S. the dealer is telling you.
#158 of 4027 2001 Japanese Corolla great pictures
Sep 01, 2000 (1:39 pm)
Liufei and cliffy1:
You two will love these pictures on the totally redesigned 2001 Corolla in Japan. This is from the offical Toyota's website in Japan. GOD THEY LOOK AWESOME!!!!!!!
First the exterior photos: click on the number on the right of the pictures to get a bigger and better one.
now, hold your breath, and look at the totally amazing interior shots:
HOLY SMOKE! A colored multi-functional screen display! My god! I want one of those! And look at the interior quality. I could swear it's like a Lexus. (0k, maybe a lexus is little too much, but a camry solara at least!) The instrements are kind of Lexus IS300-like. What do you all think. Also, notice there are significantly more rear seat legroom and the seats are higher off the floor giving a taller driving position.
This is more than enough to wet my appetite. I demand that they bring it here to the U.S! We are just as good as those Japanese and Europeans are we not? And we have higher living standards, we should be the first to get our hands on that redesigned corolla.