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#814 of 1489 Questions about the 2002 Toyota Prius Navigation System
Dec 11, 2001 (8:50 am)
OK, I did what I should have done earlier -- called the Toyota customer line and asked the questions.
For those who still care ...
1) Yes, it installs in the trunk. Dimensions were not available but somewhat unnecessary since it seems to install in a panel in the trunk wall, not taking away any existing trunk space.
2) Input is done on the touch-sensitive screen with a displayed soft alphanumeric keyboard.
3) Yes it uses a GPS.
4) It sounds as though driving instructions are both displayed and spoken. Don't know if it mutes the radio/cassette/CD sound system while doing so. Anyone know?
5) USA only on a single DVD I think. Anyone confirm?
6) Probably an update offered every year or two depending on demand. However the upgrade must be done by the dealer, says Toyota, presumably because of the way the system is installed in the trunk. Cost unknown but probably mostly labor.
I was told that this system is basically the same as the Camry and Lexus though some differences about the screen and things like the integrated telephony for the Lexus.
So I guess I'm still interested in feedback from those who have used it.
#815 of 1489 A little more...
Dec 11, 2001 (11:32 am)
My understanding is that Southern portions of Canada and Northern portions of Mexico are included. Updates will be fairly easy and obtainable through the parts department you your dealership.
Other than that, Melen is right on.
#816 of 1489 I have the 2002 Prius and LOVE it!!!
Dec 11, 2001 (5:30 pm)
First I want to ask if anyone knows where one might obtain a better (higher up) center armrest/center storage container for the Prius? The factory driver center armrest is quite low down, and doesn't do much justice to the right arm when driving; what I would like to have is a higher armrest/storage containers that takes the stress off the right arm.
Delivered two weeks ago (after about a 3 month wait, the great news is I now own the U.S. 2002 Prius with all of their options and it's incredible!
1. The navigation system works great.
2. The vehicle is very quiet (to outside sounds).
3. People ask me about the car all the time.
4. The radio is better than previous comments suggest.
5. It has a compact and easy to operate in-dash multiple-CD changer (who uses cassettes anymore!).
6. I recommend the side airbags installed on the front seats.
7. You will appreciate the cruise control although I found it slightly "jerky" due to having both gas and electric modes of movement.
Overall I enjoy the quality of Toyota products (after owning a 5 year old Camry with 120K mileage and my family all owning Toyotas) and think you would be crazy to consider the small Honda hybrid. I also recommend reading an interesting article about both vehicles in the December 2001 edition of Reader's Digest.
#817 of 1489 But It's not crazy to consider a Hybrid Civic...
Dec 12, 2001 (5:44 am)
...which will be here in March, and early reviews say that as a car in the real world, it is better than both the Insight [no great feat] AND the Prius.
I've owned several Hondas and a dozen Toyotas, and don't see huge differences in quality and reliability between the two, but the driving experience can be very different. If I were a serious customer for a hybrid sedan, I would wait to try both cars before making a final decision.
#818 of 1489 TOYOTA has better reliability than Honda
Dec 12, 2001 (5:34 pm)
Yes. People would be crazy to wait for a Honda Civic Hybrid rather than get a Prius with proven Toyota reliability. I own neither Honda nor Toyota but based on reading in Town Hall, talking to owners of all vehicles, the Toyota is a far wiser choice.
#819 of 1489 Well, owning both, and checking all the data...
Dec 13, 2001 (6:06 am)
...I can tell you that the above response is just nonsense. Believe what you want, though...these things tend to be religious, not objective.
#820 of 1489 A reply to the last several posts
Dec 14, 2001 (12:52 pm)
In random order maybe these thoughts would help:
1. Custom armrest for the Prius on-line at www.coastaletech.com. 5" or 7" height, quality, and worth the price. Other accessories available too.
2. The old adage about don't get a car in the first model year is perhaps applicable. I had a 2001 Prius and sold it to get into a 2002.The first model year was overall very good but you can tell some better differences in the 2002. I bet the Honda HEV will be a REALLY COOL car and already want one. But I really would wait for the 2003 model if possible.
3. The Honda press release states their HEV is the most fuel-efficient HEV sedan in America at 50 mpg. Well, come on, many of us get above 50 mpg on almost every trip we take in the Prius [2001 OR 2002] that is over 10-15 minutes driving time. So I would be happy to test that statement further. At the same time, I bet the Civic will be very good in its economy.
4. I am a relatively rabid Toyo fan but I would not want to try to make a living betting against Honda in the reliability department. Either one will be a great HEV. So if you really have a problem choosing and you can afford/need two vehicle- get one of each!!
Don Nashville, TN
#821 of 1489 Toyota reliability is legendary while Honda reliability is still questionable
Dec 18, 2001 (8:29 pm)
Call it nonsense if you that makes you happy. Facts are facts. Toyota across the board makes more dependable, reliable vehicles than does any other company.
We know many people who own each brand and there are many Hondas with reliability problems but NOT one Toyota.
Look at the facts: Honda put an impractical 2 seater hybrid on the market while Toyota made the 5 passenger Prius. Maybe Honda will get it right if they are successful in copying Toyota.
#822 of 1489 reliability
Dec 19, 2001 (4:11 pm)
A two seater hybrid hatch-back (aka the Insight) is hardly impractical & would venture to say lots on the Yahoo Insight list feel the same. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-insight/ There is *nothing* wrong with the Prius, when is Detroit going to come out & play or are they just going to talk about it thus handing the HEV market over to Honda / Toyota ?