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#614 of 1489 the gas crunch....
May 12, 2001 (3:00 pm)
...is affecting the Southern California buying climate. We've had more Prius Internet Online orders in the last week than we've had in any one month. Amazing. I think some possible buyers are on the fence, thinking to wait for a new 2002 also but who knows what that 2002 model year will bring for options, and pricing. We all know that the 2002's are expected to offer side impact airbags, CD changer in dash, and perhaps a GPS system, but we don't know when/what. I still think they will keep that pricing point down near to the $21000 area for the base, but who can say for certain. It's just astounding how frenzied some folks are, watching the gas prices rising and not knowing IF they will drop back down to the more comfortable $1.50 area for regular gas in Southern Ca. but I'm willing to wager that of the 12,000 cars Toyota planned for 2001 sales, they will be completely OUT in 2-3 weeks... and we'll see a long waiting list for the 2002's for September/October delivery.
#616 of 1489 ECHO acceleration, Prius mpg
May 13, 2001 (8:18 pm)
Own an echo and Prius each.
1. I must be deaf. The echo I have makes no loud noises on acceleration.Lots less than a Civic as tested [nice car though].
2.MPG in 55 F or better
a. last two trips on 90% hiway were 55 and 57.5 mpg respectively for trips of 200 mi. or better.
In the 42-45 range for trips of 5 miles or less. In-town range consistently in the 50's mpg for trips 8-10 mi. or better.
c.Check out egroups.com for info on accel. techniques, etc. SEVERAL choices for cruise. Have had mine working for several months now.
#617 of 1489 Tax Credit
May 14, 2001 (5:13 am)
Good news everyone. President Bush's package of tax incentives to save energy includes Hybrids. The plan includes expanding the existing 10% Tax Credit for all electrical cars so it includes the
gas-electric Hybrids. The new tax credit would be available from 2002 to 2007. Let's keep our fingers crossed
#618 of 1489 Tax credit
May 14, 2001 (8:29 am)
Do you have any more details? How likely is it for this package to pass and would it only apply to cars purchased after January 2002?
#619 of 1489 Re: ECHO acceleration, Prius mpg
May 14, 2001 (2:25 pm)
Very interesting response. I didn't mean to imply that the Echo made lots of noise. I don't own one and only drove a demo the same route as the Prius. The Prius motor (less than 15 mph) was much quietier than the shifting Echo.
Humm? 55-57 mpg on the highway?
Edmund's spec page for the Echo says:
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway) Automatic: 31 mpg / 38 mpg
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway) Manual: 34 mpg / 41 mpg
You didn't mention whether your Echo is stick shift or auto. Either way, you must be using some super fuel. How did you get such results? Tell us.
Also, please help me by providing names of the talk/news groups you suggest can provide cruise info. I have assumed you mean custom adding cruise control. The Toy mech. suggested that the Toyota conversion cost would be about $500. How much did yours cost??
#620 of 1489 Echo vs. Prius
May 14, 2001 (2:32 pm)
The Prius is a lot quieter than the Echo. Having driven both, and having a little Echo in the family, the pros for the Echo were $$$$-related only. Meaning, the Prius at a sticker of $20855 with CD and mats would have taken YEARS to make bank balances even at 42 mpg (Echo) vs. an average of 50-60 MPG in Prius, assuming Prius would do so well on freeway as Echo in 5th gear (stick) or 4th gear (auto). Echo stickers at $13000-14000 but no one pays sticker anyway. On Prius they do. The main reason we find for folks buying the Prius is the environment, and the push is the fuel prices across the state right now.
There is a newsgroup on Yahoo that goes around for Prius owners, comes digest format and contains lots of updates, upgrades and sites for prius owners to make their car better. Like adding the cruise or 6-disc changer to dash. It's got to be easily located. I know I read it daily.
#621 of 1489 Re:Echo vs. Prius
May 14, 2001 (2:49 pm)
I may have misread your message. I thought your 55 mpg was referring to your Echo. That's why I quoted the Echo EPA mpg ratings. Incidently, in the Echo Town Meeting. thoover in message 1533 says he has driven his Echo 15,000 miles and averaged 36 mpg. Our 43 mpg tops that. We didn't buy the Prius based on economics, although when you load up an Echo to come up to the features of the standard Prius, you're not talking $14K anymore.
Still, 55 mpg in town in a Prius is near incredible. Of course it could be the type of towns you and I live in. Ours, in Silicon Valley, has lots of stop lights. A 5 mile trip is uncommon. Ours are more like 1-5 (my wifes I should say). I'm just glad we got the 45 mpg on the highway trip we took.
I'll check out the Yahoo site as you suggest.
#622 of 1489 Priuus and ECHO
May 15, 2001 (7:57 am)
Sorry, the echo comments are only related to noise. My echo gets 38 mpg combined and up to 45-46 mpg on hiway at 60-65 mph.Yes, my Prius is VERY QUIET and really nice to drive. In trips of ,
<3.0 miles I believe I would be hard pressed to get 40 mpg.Cruise DIY can be done with parts only for about $180-190. Not that hard to do.There is a dealer kit supposed to come out abour 1 June for $220. There is a remote system people have been installing themselves for $259. So there are a lot of options. I think your Prius will do better for longer around-town trips or the hiway in the future.I think the catalytic converter has to heat up for a while to keep emissions down for the SULEV. Good luck!! Don
#623 of 1489 Confusing Prius MPG
May 15, 2001 (8:33 am)
I noticed a lot of conflicting gas mileage information for the Prius hybrid vehicle. EPA estimates indicate that you get the maximum MPG driving around town, but owners seem to say in-town mileage is not that great on short trips and you actually get better mileage on the freeway.
If you drive mostly on the freeway, others say you are better off with an Echo or some other small car with good highway milegage.