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#165 of 1489 A different experience than Gibran's
Aug 01, 2000 (2:17 pm)
I just wanted to mention that I received an e-mail from Toyota after inquiring about the lack of cruise control. I was told it would be available on the 2002 model year which would be available for purchase next year sometime(2001). When I went for my test drive, the Salesperson said he thought the cruise control would be a retrofit for current cars though I have my doubts about this given the technology. I think its interesting to note the various experiences while driving at highway speeds. While my experience was less than acceptable to me, we have others merily crusising down the highway at 80mph and seemingly drag racing onto the interstate. My experience was more akin to the long test report where the tester mentioned taking 10 Seconds to pass a Semi and thought the car was struggleing at 65mph. Either there is a huge variance in these individual cars OR perhaps these test drives simply reflect our different expectations. With my current car(Volvo 240) taking something like 15 seconds to get up to 75mph, I find it hard to beleive my expectations are that great. I test drove a VW TDI which only has 90 hp and found it very quick and fast at highway speeds. Perhaps the Prius I drove was not fully charged. In any case, A very lengthy test drive is highly recommended for the Pius to anyone considering this vehicle.
Aug 01, 2000 (2:34 pm)
Aug 01, 2000 (3:44 pm)
a depleted battery means the car is running minus 40 horse power. Since passing power is directly in proportion to the horse power, you can see it can make a big difference. I can almost imagine the difference between a Prius with depleted battery (73 hp) and a fullying charged battery (>100 hp).
#168 of 1489 Order process info
Aug 01, 2000 (4:28 pm)
I just received a call from a Service and Parts Rep for the Denver region verifying that I wanted a Prius. I tried to get some more information from him but no one really seems to know. He did tell me that I made it into the first order of 3000 and that that is a good thing. I asked him about the CD player and Mats and he did not know if I would be able to get them.
To recap the process so far:
Dealer put in my internet request on 7/28/00
I received an e-mail from an automated server at Toyota verifying this.
Dealer put my order into the system on 7/29/00
I receiver another e-mail verifying this.
Toyota called on 7/30/00 and left a message and called again today (7/31/00) and we verified that we do want the car.
According to the dealer, the car will be here in 90-120 days. So I wait.
#169 of 1489 Daytime Running Lights
Aug 01, 2000 (5:15 pm)
I have been hearing different stories on the daytime running lights. I have asked Toyota twice now whether daytime running lights are standard or not and both times they have said that they are standard and not an option. It is also implied on their web site that they are standard.
Does anyone know for sure?
#170 of 1489 Order status
Aug 01, 2000 (8:14 pm)
Here is the word from Toyota's western regional offices:
I've been informed that I'm about the 55th order that was received and that I should see delivery by the end of August.
As for orders generally, I'm told that so far 3800 have been ordered (only 3000 of them will be delivered by the end of 2000). Therefore, Toyota is sold out on calendar year 2000 deliveries.
I'm also told that there will be a total of 7000 available through the end of 2001. When those are gone, Toyota will probably modify its web site to let people know they will be waiting quite a while for delivery. Those last buyers
(of the 7000) will be told to expect delivery in December 2001. There will, in any event, be 2002 models available after the 7000 go. (Anyone care to venture a guess as to how many more weeks before the first 7,000 are ordered?)
Aug 01, 2000 (9:05 pm)
After gkorn's info on only 7k available, I now understand why Toyota is not advertising on TV!
#172 of 1489 Underestimated
Aug 01, 2000 (9:15 pm)
I think Toyota has really underestimated the demand for this vehicle. They have done this before but with the way they are allocating them (over the Internet), I think it will slap them pretty hard. I would suspect that since Toyota has such a direct hand on the pulse of the consumer now, they may end up modifying their projections and build plans.
Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see them getting multiple hits on the prius order page and not doing something about it.
Aug 01, 2000 (9:47 pm)
Toyota is purposely trying to keep the sales low.
After all, the car is priced at BELOW the manufacturing cost. So they lose money selling them.
Wow, you don't see that everyday.
Aug 01, 2000 (10:24 pm)
But, as they sell more of them, they begin to recoupe the R&D expenses. I think those costs are why people say they are spending so much on the cars right now and volume will take care of that. It depends on how long they amortize the development costs. Also, the more battery packs they sell, the lower the overall costs will be.
If I were a Toyota exec, I would be very happy right now. They were hoping for a good launch and widespread acceptance so they can introduce an SUV in the next few years with this system. It looks to me like America is ready for this.