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Sep 25, 2003 (2:40 pm)
> John said: “Also note that because the demand for the 2004 Prius is very high already (around 21,000 orders worldwide so far) and orders will likely take months to fill, the demand for the used 2001-2003 will be high. So the trade-in value should be fairly competitive, similar to what you'd expect for other vehicles.”
___How many times do you need to see the links to similar used vehicles and the actual prices you may expect to receive for a used 01 Prius w/ 60,000 miles? Log onto KBB.com, log onto Edmunds.com, or log onto Cars.com for the Black book values. The KBB TIV, Private Party, and Retail Values are listed. Here at Edmunds, the TIV, Private Party, and Retail Values are listed. At Cars.com, the Black Book TIV and Retail Values are listed. What don’t you get? I hope your dealer will give you $15,000 or more but he’s not in the business of losing money. In fact, I have a feeling he is in business to make money and you will be more than likely receive TIV type numbers ...
___I would hope Toyota would kick in some given your promotion of the Prius over the years but I haven’t seen anything like that come from you and I would rather doubt they will give the Pioneer’s a deal either given what is posted around the net in Toyota’s own press releases.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Oct 01, 2003 (3:25 pm)
I heard from the local Toyota dealership that the first wave of 2004 Pruis will have landed in the U S by Oct 2, their computers will be updated by the end of the day Oct 2, to identify who the lucky owners will be. Based on this information if it's correct we should see the Prius on the road in the next few weeks! I have a brother living in Japan, he has seen the 2004 Prius he says the really look nice.
#1400 of 1489 help... need advice.
Oct 02, 2003 (3:20 pm)
my toy prius first got the hybrid warning light springtime.
after the light disappeared on the way to the dealer, i thought it came from a loose gas cap and called off the appointment. all went well until september when the light started coming quickly. since it happened nights while i was at work the light usually was gone by the morning.
on the 4th occurance i was finally able to bring it to the dealer with the lights still on and it was diagnosed with a faulty accelerator gas sensor. the dealer also told me another prius with the same problem was fixed after resetting the error code in the computer. so we tried that and got charged $48 for diagnosis and reset but the problem only got worse.
now i am looking at a potential $608 parts + labor & tax since the warranty ended sept 1. the dealer tells me this part is not considered part of the hybrid component and don't qualify for the longer hybrid warranty.
to those who are more on the know, has this been a common enough problem with the prius? is there a recall or at least a dealer bulletin on it?
since my mileage is still low, the warranty period has not been too far off, the problem started earlier, and the part could arguably be part of the hybrid component (else why would it cause the hybrid light warning) can toyota be persuaded to be sympathetic enough to fix this under warranty? (remember i was not able to bring it in before and has no record of the problem).
thanks.... any advice would help. i may also go to the yahoo prius group and pose this problem.
#1401 of 1489 accelerator pedal assembly
Oct 03, 2003 (5:22 am)
often called "The Big Hand" in other groups.
(Feels like a big hand has come down and is holding
your car back, better described as driving through
molasses - sudden loss of power requiring you to
push harder on the accellerator pedal.)
The version that comes up with the various lights
actually stores codes. What code did your dealer
find when you brought it in? (most of the time
the error codes will be stored in the computers,
even if the lights go out.)
for a TSB search.
If you got the P1120 error code, TSB EG018-02 has been reported to cover the gas pedal assembly.
(direct search for EG01802 on the above site)
I understand that the http://techinfo.toyota.com/
site does have copies of all the TSBs for reading,
but I haven't paid my $10 for a day's downloading,
nor have I gone to my dealer to go through the site
(for free) to download/print copies, so they may
or may not be there...
Oct 03, 2003 (5:50 am)
Everything you need to know about any TSB can be found by looking up the Town Hall's good friend, 0patience, in this discussion: Technical Service Bulletins
Oct 03, 2003 (9:00 am)
what color combo do you think is gonna look best on the 2004 - what will look good 5 years from now?
I'd like my Prius to look a little edgy (sort of like the Scion) but not sure if that is gonna be possible.
#1404 of 1489 Prius should be on the West Coast
Oct 13, 2003 (4:33 pm)
There should be someone on the West Coast that has driven the new 2004 Prius. I would be interested in hearing comments regarding how it looks and drives in real life. How far can it go in electric mode?
#1406 of 1489 I've driven it, here's my impressions.
Oct 14, 2003 (5:50 pm)
I've posted the actual experience since posting the link is against Edmunds terms of service (sorry!). The test car was borrowed from a Toyota corporate employee who had the car for a while.
Our evening test drive took place in a Silver BC packaged Prius at Aliso Beach in Laguna Beach, CA. There were a total of 5 interested people (and their families), 3 of which chose to drive the car. It was night, which intimidated some of the other potential drivers.
My test drive host started off by showing off a few features of the car, including the neat hidden storage rack for the teanu cover, the jumpstart location, the Smart Start/Entry, and the voice nav. In starting and stopping the car, I could barely hear the coolant storage pump cycling. I think I caught the sound of the A/C cycling once or twice as well, wasn't very loud at all. Just a slight whirring noise.
Then the question came up - who goes first? One of the other drivers voted that I drove first with everyone, however I didn't want to deprive my family of 4 the Prius experience, so I offered to stay behind and go for a second run. 5 or so miles and 15 minutes later, and they were back. Another driver had reset the mileage display on me and posted an impressive 51.9mpg (I think that's right). Of course, I was challenged to beat that.
I then put in my 2 year old's carseat, and piled the family into the back seat. First comment from my wife was "Well, it passes the family in the back seat test". I had scooted the passenger seat forward to make sure she had plenty of room. However once we got a bit down the road, my test drive host handed the wheel over to me. Now my test drive host, being taller, had the front passenger seat all the way back, and my wife, who has long legs, was still perfectly comfortable.
First task was to quickly merge onto PCH, which in that area runs at near freeway speeds. First thing I noticed is that the ICE revs to speed *much* quicker in this version. It does seem slightly more powerful, but it was difficult to gauge with 5 people in the car. Second thing I noticed was that the accelerator felt more conventional - almost as if it were attached to a cable. It also, unfortunately, had the same convetnional logarithmic (for lack of better wording) feel to it where not much pressure gets the car moving. This may make efficient driving a bit more challenging at first, and definitely differs from the Classic Prius.
The third thing that caught my attention was the green cast of the EC mirror. While not as "dark" as a flipper mirror at first, I quickly became accustomed to it. Visibility out the rear is somewhat limited, but this is something the driver can get accustomed to over time. Adjusting the side mirrors to compensate does help.
Next, I decided to try the voice commands. The first one I issued was "Temperature 68 degrees". The system paused for a few seconds, and quickly obliged, setting the climate control to 68 degrees. My test drive host was surprised it worked that way, however I recalled seeing it in the list. Temperature higher or up works too I believe. Side note, the help system only outlines about 100 or so of the commands, but my test drive host remembered the person saying (and I remember in training hearing) over 300 commands exist. I'm hungry works - and you can specify fast food, Italian, etc. as the types. She also said on the way she tried "I need cash", and it pointed out ATM machines. She had tried a few others before arriving to the beach (insert adult joke), however the NAV system wasn't as obliging there (she's quite the comedian you know!). After a couple of minutes, my kids were becoming noisy, so I decided after my wife's suggestion to try "Mute Children" as a joke. It of course responded "Disc not present". It was good for a laugh.
A few more miles and it was time to stop for a turn. WOW - the brakes feel "normal", not grabby and non-linear as you slow down like in the classic Prius. They also feel "strong". My test drive host asked me to suddenly make a left once we were well into Dana Point on the PCH (where the road splits to one-way). I checked the rearview, then got on the brakes and was quite impressed (ABS didn't even need to kick in). Handling was also much better than the Classic. I had a chance to push a yellow through a rather quick left turn and the tires didn't even howl (something that I would have expected in my Classic).
After turning around, we passed the beach again and I ventured up into Bluebird Canyon where I got a chance to try the high-beams w/ the HID. The lows did fairly well, however the highs do go even further. I guess I was hoping for a tad more distance, but I can't complain. The highs do illuminate at the same time as the lows, unlike the current Prius which switches off between low and high-beam filaments. The fog lights, on the other hand, do little as driving lights as they only seem to light up the very front of the car. Another note - the NAV screens light up like day/night depending on whether the lights are on or off. Quite impressive. The NAV screen was on most of the time for the Laguna Beach hills portion, and it appeared to be dead on all the time. It also hid my consumption screen, so I lost track of my mileage efforts.
While in Bluebird Canyon, I made a few tight turns. Steering feel has improved. I feel slightly more connected overall. I want to say the ratio is a bit tighter as well (the Classic Prius's ratio is insanely high and unsporty, almost truck like), but it's not 14:1 like some sports cars. I was still impressed overall with handling, especially with a car full of folks.
Coming down one of the hills, I flicked the car into B mode. I noticed some drag, but at 25mph, it wasn't much. Flicking it again didn't toggle it, so over and down to D to get back out was required. Probably not a bad thing.
Didn't get to play with the radio too much, though the sound was "decent" to my ears. I had to futz with the bass/treble since it was not to my liking. I'll have to play with that more later on when I have more time with the car. I also didn't get a chance to bond my blue-tooth phone to try that out.
Wow, I hope I've covered at least part of my experience. All in all, this car is very enjoyable to drive, and it will only most likely reassure just about anyone who's making the decision. My test drive host's own words were that she went from 75% sure she'd purchase to 200% sure after spending some time behind the wheel. I'm going to have to agree with her.
Oh, and for those who were wondering, we switched back from NAV to consumption once we got back, and I lost at 49.7 mpg over 10 or so miles - Still not bad for me since I avg 44ish in my current Prius, and I had accelerated rather briskly a couple of times to get a feel for the additional power. Driving up in the hills didn't help much either.
Hope this helps those who are looking for a driver's impression.
Oct 15, 2003 (7:15 pm)
I order my Prius at the beginning of Sept. I am going for a test drive tomorrow. My dealer received their first Prius today. I ordered Prius at the beginning of Sept. Hopefully I'll find out when I'll receive it. I ordered it fully equiped. It'd like Christmas!!!