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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
Jun 19, 2003 (7:08 am)
2001 US Prius do not come with the GPS/Navigation
system (except for a few rare VIP cars). To fit
the Toyota GPS/Nav parts to the 2001 to make the
NAV-related dash buttons work, assuming new parts
and not stripped from a Hawaiian or a 2002-2003
NAV-equipped Prius (say from a junkyard), it's
about $4000 in new parts alone. Not including labor.
There's the GPS-data DVD. There's the Navigation
unit that sits under the front passenger seat.
There's a whole new wiring harness to be replaced.
Then there's the GPS antenna, which lives at the
very back of the dashboard (have to remove everyting
to get to it). A LOT of labor involved. Doubtful
that someone has tried stealing the whole GPS system
from one of the 2003-2003 Prius yet. (Not many
of them on the road, in comparison to the huge
number of Camrys that could be stripped for parts...)
Current 2001-2003 Prius do not come with HID
headlights, so no theft info there either.
Jun 19, 2003 (2:46 pm)
I just saw a Prius TV ad that I haven't seen before. One would think that detail specs and prices would be available. Soon?? Supposedly I'm on the list to receive info from Toyota when available. But nothing yet. Any body know more yet??
#1261 of 1489 pricing
Jun 20, 2003 (11:40 am)
Sorry if this has been talked about a bunch of times already, just wanted to throw some info in. When the new Prius was first shown, I was looking forward to it but lost interest very quickly because I thought the back was fairly ugly. I need to see it in real life before I decide but from the pictures I've seen it's not very attractive in my opinion. Well anyway, today I was looking around for info on the Scion xA and ran into a summary on the Prius from the auto show. A Toyota official said pricing will be "around $19,000." This was supposedly the senior vice president and general manager of Toyota Division who said this so this may be true. I would post the article but not sure if I'm allowed to, besides I'm sure most of you have read this already. Also it said an executive from the Toyota Technical Center was claiming a combined horsepower of 106 and "a 0-60 time of 10 seconds or less." It's also on a new platform and is rated as a mid-size instead of a compact. After reading all these tidbits I have some renewed interest in it. I thought it would be slower than that and also be around 21k instead of around 19k.
So here's my question, for you guys who have been keeping up with all the info, is this stuff true? Is this the 0-60 estimates and pricing info that's going around? Sounds almost too good to be true.
#1262 of 1489 xenons
Jun 20, 2003 (11:47 am)
Have a question also about the HIDs. Can someone look at your headlights and tell if you have the HID option or not? So if someone wants to steal your HIDs and you have a car that has HIDs optional but not standard, can the person look at it and tell if you have it or not?
Jun 21, 2003 (7:40 am)
>can the person look at it and tell if you have it or not?
In general, I would say yes, they could tell. Xenon lamps require a special middle lens inside the lamp, to control the light's leveling. (Kind of like a gyroscope with a glass lens). So all the would-be thief has to do, is look at the lamp closely.
Although, it's also true that in a lot of newer car designs, some companies have made lamps that LOOK like HID, but are ordinary halogens. (The Hyundai Tiburon comes to mind).
Jun 22, 2003 (7:18 pm)
The info that came out with the introduction of the 2004 at the NY auto show this year was that the 0-60 time would be in the "mid-10 second range", down from the mid-12 second range. In other words faster, along with bigger and better gas mileage.
I have a vague memory that the price was expected be a little higher than the current Prius.
Jun 23, 2003 (7:08 am)
current Prius is at about $20 1/2 and Toyota announced they would keep the new one "near to" this price. Considering the lousy car market right now, it is doubtful it will command MSRP for more than about five minutes, even though it is so substantially upgraded.
They have also said 0-60 times will be the same (approx) as 4-cyl Camry auto. And yes, it will be rated midsize according to EPA passenger volume standard.
Jun 23, 2003 (7:23 am)
The midsize rating is misleading. Not that it won't be slightly bigger inside, but the passenger volume includes the trunk, and hatchbacks have much larger trunks than sedans (because they measure up to the roof behind the rear seats).
There are cases where an Idendical car has the hatch version rated in midsize while the sedan is a compact. Also true of station wagons.
#1267 of 1489 Since a hatch provides .............................
Jun 23, 2003 (8:09 am)
substantially more useful space, that doesn't seem "misleading" to me.
Jun 23, 2003 (8:21 am)
current generation Prius:
passenger volume: 88.6 cu. ft.
cargo volume: 11.8 cu. ft.
total interior volume: 100.4 cu. ft.
2004 Prius preliminary specs:
passenger volume: 99 cu. ft.
cargo volume: 16 cu. ft.
total interior volume: 110 cu. ft.
How are vehicle size classes defined?
The size class for cars is determined by measuring the interior volume as described below. ....
Compact - Between 100 and 109 cubic feet of passenger and luggage volume
Mid-Size - Between 110 and 119 cubic feet of passenger and luggage volume
... STATION WAGONS
Small - Less than 130 cubic feet of passenger and cargo volume
So, the size ratings is for the passenger and
cargo space combined. On the new Prius, both the
passenger and cargo space have become larger, just
bumping it past the size criteria for the Mid-Size.
(The current Prius is just over the size criteria
making it a Compact as opposed to a Subcompact...)