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#10 of 4431 ruski by etharmon May 08, 2000 (5:23 am)
To answer that last part, Pontiac is doing those things only they are doing them on the Bonneville. The Bonneville, especially the SSEi, is the model which competes best with the 300M. The GP is a bit smaller and priced lower than the 300M.
#11 of 4431 etharmon by ruski May 08, 2000 (3:28 pm)
I still think that Pontiac could add a few nice things to the GTP and keep the price below 300M. Although they might undercut the sales of their own Bonneville... well, they could throw in a few more things into the Bonnie then.
#12 of 4431 Bonneville by kazz May 08, 2000 (9:11 pm)
For the price creep, I was kind of underwhelmed by the Bonneville, especially against competitors like the 300M, which feels and looks more swank. I did test drive the 300M and liked it, but it was $6k more than the GTP's MSRP with the performance package and sunroof. Also, I'm a single guy that doesn't need to haul a family around, so the cab-forward extra space didn't really concern me (though the 300M crash test results did--not too good...). In the end, the option for a 2-door accellerator, along with the lower payments, wooed me over to the GTP. Kazz
#13 of 4431 in defence of 300M by ruski May 08, 2000 (9:24 pm)
the only reason they rated it lower in an offset crash test, was because the dummy hit its head on the steering wheel. At the same time, the dummy in Lexus GS400 also hit its head on the steering wheel but they rated that car high. Also It is not clear if they belted the dummy properly, plus they were using some strange hard/soft barrier that the car's computer got confused by.
#14 of 4431 ruski by mattchalmers May 09, 2000 (6:36 pm)
Where can I find that crash data on line? I have wondered when I read references and am finally speaking up.
#15 of 4431 mattchalmers by ruski May 09, 2000 (8:41 pm)
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ratings.htm Lexus GS400 is in the large luxury cars section, 300M (actually they tested the LHS) is in large family cars.
#16 of 4431 Defend the 300M? by kazz May 09, 2000 (10:14 pm)
(Laughing)Ruski, I don't think the 300M needs any defending. It's a luxurious car with good sporty kick and performance. I like the looks from the front, and most of the interior looks great too (though I don't like the loose-feeling power window/lock controls). All in all, a great car. I just think that it's mission is a bit different than the mission for the GTP. The GTP seems to me to be a sporty mid-size with touches of luxury. That GM puts lots of goodies on board is a big plus, but the price is till mid-20's. The 300M, though, seems to me to be a "near luxury," or "Entry luxury" sedan. Like I said, tons of things to receommend it, but for pricing, looks and interior size, it just seems to me to be in a different segment. It felt "older" to me than the GTP, if you know what I mean. Still, if I were to win one, I wouldn't sell it Kazz
#17 of 4431 1st issue by kazz May 15, 2000 (9:15 pm)
Well, my new car just had it's first issue. A whining noise back by the rear wheels has turned out to be the fuel pump. The dealership isn't sure if it warrants replacement yet; I need to bring the car in later this week for them to drop the tank and have a look, but the noise is very annoying. Checking the ClubGP board showed that whiny fuel pumps have a tendency to give out at bad times, so I'm hoping the dealer can get this straightened out. Update to follow... Kazz
#18 of 4431 Update by kazz May 19, 2000 (2:00 am)
The dealer did not replace the fuel pump, saying the whine was normal, and that they couldn't hear it. Sure enough, when I got in the car, the noise was gone. It was back this morning. It appears to be a "warming up" noise, for some reason. I'm hoping it doesn't leave me stranded.
#19 of 4431 kazz by dindak May 19, 2000 (7:42 pm)
Don't worry too much, my old 626 used to do that on cool mornings and later in the day it was fine. Perhaps you should leave it at the dealer overnight and take it out with them in the morning.

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