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#4157 of 4457 2004 Grand Prix GTP
May 05, 2005 (6:53 am)
It was a happy day yesterday, I got rid of the worst car I have had over the last 25 years - a 2004 Pontiac GTP. More creaking,popping, whinning noises from the body, steering, and interior than any car I have ever had. The dealer could.not fix all the problems though he tried. No more GM cars for me - EVER. I had 15000 miles and 2 years of misery with this car.
2005 Ford Thunderbird
1995 Lexus SC300
1999 Jaguar XK8 coupe
May 07, 2005 (7:41 am)
Saw a GP GXP today that was not a GM company car. Still had the temp tags on it. Looked very sharp.
May 07, 2005 (10:15 pm)
So the 2006 model will have chrome accents on the interrior?
Is this true? Does this mean the instrumentation and the vents will be chrome, like the G6? This is amazing if its true. They seemed to make the seat adjustment 2 way now... bad news...
Gm's problems will not be solved by give or take options, it will be by fighting off the union and reduing labor costs, so they can afford to put these features in there cars.
I will admit, as for quality these new cars are vary competetive.
#4160 of 4457 Re: 2006? [exalteddragon1]
May 08, 2005 (7:01 am)
To some extent the GM costs problem is a chicken-and-egg problem. GM have big fixed expenses on pensions and medical insurance for retirees and their families. Something like $5000 per car, if I remember it right. As GM market share is decreasing, the fixed costs per vehicle grow. Vicious circle.
Would GM somehow increase its market share by 10% (to pre- last strike 29% from the current 26%), the costs per car would drop by $500. Good enough to lower price, or add content by the same $500. It will increase market share even more. Virtuous circle.
Probably, it would be even better to invest the savings in designing more modern cars and better manufacturing methods. In addition, if GM finances improves, its bonds rating will improve too, and GM will save on interest.
Nissan and Chrysler demonstrated that auto manufacturers can increase its market share by offering better designs. Modern, with more powerful engines, and just better looking.
Of course, even big improvements will be wasted without creating virtuous circle if the results of the improvements are wasted, on unions or otherwise.
#4161 of 4457 Re: The Display of Clock and Radio Doesn't Work [elliot1]
May 08, 2005 (8:34 am)
can you give me a direct link on how to the replace of the bulb? thanks a lot.
May 10, 2005 (12:37 pm)
One of the local dealers has around 8 or so GP GXPs available. At least four of them are stickered at $33,135 and are advertised for just over $26k. My guess is that includes rebates and GMS pricing. That would seem to be a fair price.
#4164 of 4457 Re: GXP in stock [bigdaddycoats]
May 11, 2005 (7:57 am)
“One of the local dealers has around 8 or so GP GXPs available. At least four of them are stickered at $33,135 and are advertised for just over $26k. My guess is that includes rebates and GMS pricing. That would seem to be a fair price.”
“Invoice on the Grand Prix that you inquired about is $30,354 so your price
would be $30,403 less GM's $2,500 rebate for a net cost of $27,903 plus tax
The above is a result of an initial (GMBuypower) e-mail contact with the dealer closest to me (northeast of HotLanta) with a GXP inbound. MSRP was $33K even . . .
In the SouthEast, the current cash back on a GP = $2,500.
In the Detroit area (and most of the rest of the country, I believe) the number is $3,500. That would bring their $49 over Invoice price to just under $27K.
Who would feel lucky, at this point, to have 1 (to test drive) within 50 miles . . .
#4165 of 4457 2001 GTP Questions......
May 11, 2005 (6:06 pm)
Hope you all can shed some light on two issues we are having with our 2001.
1) We noticed a while back that when you turn the wheel hard to the left, there is a grinding noise coming from the front end. It doesnt happen turning towards the right, nor does it affect the alignment while driving, she still goes dead straight when taking your hands off the wheel.
2) The low coolant light has started coming on. Coolant is full and there is no leak, at least not on our driveway. Could this just be a censor problem? The light stay on for a about a mile or two then shuts off.
Any help you could give would be appreciated!!!
#4166 of 4457 Re: 2004 grand prix rear speaker install [bfm]
May 16, 2005 (8:52 am)
You must remove the whole back seat to get to the speakers and grilles.
My advice buy your speakers from crutchfield and they send you a diagram to do it with.