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#4041 of 4457 very easy to make GTP run high 13's 1/4
Feb 18, 2005 (1:43 pm)
That GXP V8 Grand Prix wll be nice.. but what is the price?? I have read that GM says it will be MORE $$ then the current CompG which starts at nearly $28k MSRP now. I hope they don't price themselves out of the market like the GXP bonny did.
BTW....It's very easy to modify a 1997 to 2005 GTP to run high 13's low 14's 1/4 mile times... Total price?? Under $1k. Pulley swap, reprogram, K&N, u bend replacement, thermostat etc... Cost you $1k, a lot cheaper then buying a GXP.
As long as you aren't hard on the car all the time it will hold up fine with the mods.
I will NEVER buy a Grand prix again unless they bring back a COUPE. In my opinion the 4 door looks too much like a rental-car.
Why since 1997 as Pontiac made the GTP look nearly identical to the GT?? Only dif is the GTP symbol on the doors on 1997-2003 or the GTP symbol on trunk of 2004 and on. They should have made more of a dif, like the PRE 1997
1997 GTP coupe
2002 GTP coupe END OF an ERA, last 2 door currently..
#4042 of 4457 Re: very easy to make GTP run high 13's 1/4 [gunit]
Feb 18, 2005 (2:54 pm)
You won't see a Grand Prix coupe again, at least not in the next 5-7 years. The G6 (low end) and GTO (high end) fill that slot. Coupes are a dying breed, with diminishing market share, so it doesn't make sense to spend $$$ to make one for each car model.
Of course the Grand Prix will probably be gone by 2008 or 2009. Hello G8 (RWD large car)...
Feb 18, 2005 (5:18 pm)
It's a little late for that advice. I have 12,500 miles on my AWD SEL Five Hundred. Two cars back, I owned a 98 Grand Prix GTP. Both are fine cars, in totally different ways....
#4044 of 4457 Re: very easy to make GTP run high 13's 1/4 [hammen2]
Feb 19, 2005 (6:23 am)
G6 is NOT a coupe so it doesn't count. The GM equivalent of the GTP coupe is the Monte Supercharged coupe, whic in my opinion is downright UGLY compared to the styling on my GTP.
20% of 2002 Grand Prix sales were coupes... thats pretty significant. GTO is priced noticeably higher. Why does GM still sell the Monte then? Or Honda still sells the Accord Coupe? Or Ford selling the Mustang then? Rumor is that GM will bring back the Camaro on the GTO chassis in a few years.....If coupes are a dying breed? What about the Corvette? Which is the best selling sports car.... or the new 350Z/G35 coupe?
Not all of us want minivans or Suv's or sedans...
In 2007 when I buy my next coupe it will probably be a GTO,, just have to spend the extra $$ argh!!
Feb 19, 2005 (6:40 am)
The G6 will have a coupe for the 06 model year.
#4046 of 4457 Re: [johnclineii]
Feb 19, 2005 (8:01 am)
How are you liking it, particularly the CVT?
Did you consider the Mercury then?
#4047 of 4457 CVTs and AWD...things I wish Grand Prixs did offer
Feb 19, 2005 (1:50 pm)
The CVT is one of my most favourite parts of the car. It is smooth, refined and greatly contributes to the fuel economy (with the AWD I have). The durability is an open question. I guess I'll find out!
I wish GM had put a better CVT in their ION, or offered one in cars the size of the Grand Prix. I am very happy with the Ford. I considered the Mercury, but was about to take several long trips (hence the already 12,500 miles on the Five Hundred) and couldn't wait for delivery for a Montego. Except for HID headlights and LED tail lights, the cars are functionally about the same, though the Mercury has a much prettier interior, in my book.
Feel free to come over and take a read in the Five Hundred forums. Very few people, though, would be interested in BOTH a Five Hundred and a Pontiac Grand Prix. I was one of them!
I might even have been interested in another Grand Prix GTP, if I could also get all wheel drive with it!
Feb 20, 2005 (5:39 pm)
I see no evidence of any fuel savings for CVTs (on the Ford, there is nothing special about the mileage). Further their feel is strange and their durability is very questionable. Not to knock your car at all but I think Ford would be better off with even a good 4 speed.
#4049 of 4457 GXP Price, etc. . . .
Feb 21, 2005 (7:08 am)
“That GXP V8 Grand Prix wll be nice.. but what is the price?? I have read that GM says it will be MORE $$ then the current CompG which starts at nearly $28k MSRP now. I hope they don't price themselves out of the market like the GXP bonny did." - gunit
A usually reliable source indicates that the GP GXP will be $29.9 MSRP (before incentives). According to Pontiac.com, a GTP CompG MSRP currently is: $28.7K. The Bonneville GXP at over $7K higher (currently $36.3K base - before incentives) is quite a bit more expensive at MSRP. The choice to utilize the 275 HP version of the Northstar DOHC V8 (a relatively complex and expensive motor, and not the best low end TQ generator) and more expensive (and larger) trans. – and a 3.7:1 final drive – does not seem to have been the correct one. The performance and the sales have both been disappointing. The only published test I am aware of (C+D last year) reports the Bonne GXP at 0 – 60 in 6.9 and the SS Quarter in 15.4 at 91. Not quick, by my definition. (See my fearless prediction of GP GXP 0 – 60 and SS Quarter above.)
And the Bonne GXP’s EPA 17 / 24 is not very impressive fuel mileage, to me. And various postings seem to indicate that 24 is as good as it gets in the real world.
Will the GP GXP be worth (with what have become typical incentives and a typical discount) something like $26 – 27K? Something perhaps close to $31 / 32K with all available options, including the DVD NAV system, sunroof, leather, premium audio / stereo upgrade, XM, dual zone HVAC, and remote start. (? = MSRP $36K????) This is a rhetorical question. Your answers may vary.
I have seen interest and I have seen “what are they thinking????” responses to this GXP on other forums.
If you add the cost of all of the items included in the GXP package, the total may be reasonable, if you’d actually want all of these items anyway. The GXP V8 motor weighs less than the S/C 3800. The DoD, combined with a 2.93 final drive (allowing approx. 10% lower RPM at cruise than the CompG – and approx. 26% lower than the Bonne GXP’s 3.7) may allow fuel mileage similar to the CompG – and better than the Bonne GXP.
List of upgrades / additions / substitutions I understand to be part of the GXP package:
1 – All-aluminum LS4 - 5.3 V8 – 303 / 323 w/DoD.
1.5 – Significantly upgraded / strengthened 4T65-E trans.
2 – Lowered.
3 – Bilstein gas-charged dampers and higher rate springs.
3.5 – Stiffer rear stabilizer bar.
4 – 18” wheels / W-rated tires.
5 – Significant brake upgrade.
5.5 - StabiliTrak is standard.
6 - Restyled front and rear. (In effect, this also includes the $675 PDC group of after production accessories - grill inserts, larger spoiler and exhaust tips.)
Whether or not this is all worth the actual negotiated transaction price, after discount and incentives is clearly up to every individual buyer. (I will be particularly interested to see if the current $2 and $3K? rebates on GP’s will be applied to the GXP.)
From pictures I have seen, I particularly like the front re-style. I am willing to give one a test drive, when they start to appear on dealers’ lots – likely in late April / early May.
Currently falling into the “interested” group . . .
#4050 of 4457 Re: GXP Price, etc. . . . [rayainsw]
Feb 21, 2005 (9:27 am)
I believe that Bonneville GXP sales were as expected or slightly better. Bonneville sales for 04 were up over 03 - largely due to the GXP. I have seen GXP sales numbers but can not remember where.
Performance wise, the numbers were a little disappointing.
I would imagine that the GP GXP had a lot to do with the demise of the Bonneville. The GP GXP will most likely beat the Bonneville GXP in both performance price.
I wonder if there will be a torque steer problem with the GP GXP. We will know soon.